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alvin688f 06-12-2016 11:45 PM

Job Offer Suggestion
 
I am a fresh graduate (3rd Class) from local university with a Degree in Computer Science and will like to have some suggestions on the preferred job to embark on.

I will like to ask around to see which one will fit my goals below:

1) Pay increment
2) Knowledge gain for the first 2 years

Here are two job offers which I currently have on hand:

Offer 1: Level 2 Security Engineer from ST (Telco)
Offer 2: Network/System Engineer from a Stat Board

Benefits and Pay Package are rather similar for both.

Unregistered 07-12-2016 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by alvin688f (Post 92821)
I am a fresh graduate (3rd Class) from local university with a Degree in Computer Science and will like to have some suggestions on the preferred job to embark on.

I will like to ask around to see which one will fit my goals below:

1) Pay increment
2) Knowledge gain for the first 2 years

Here are two job offers which I currently have on hand:

Offer 1: Level 2 Security Engineer from ST (Telco)
Offer 2: Network/System Engineer from a Stat Board

Benefits and Pay Package are rather similar for both.

Both are dying trades in the local IT industry. If these are the only 2 offers, better go with the stat board for job security.

Both are typical few % normal increment every year except promotion, knowledge wise maybe ST slightly better, but not much difference in terms of long term career.

Unregistered 07-12-2016 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 92823)
Both are dying trades in the local IT industry. If these are the only 2 offers, better go with the stat board for job security.

Both are typical few % normal increment every year except promotion, knowledge wise maybe ST slightly better, but not much difference in terms of long term career.

I agree. Go with the stat board. Ever if they cut your job title, they will often retrain you for other roles. It is also easier to transfer to civil service or other stat board if you perform well. If you are a constant "B" and "C+" grader, your job security is almost unshakeable. You can work till 65 years old if you wish to without fear of being fired.

Unregistered 07-12-2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 92825)
I agree. Go with the stat board. Ever if they cut your job title, they will often retrain you for other roles. It is also easier to transfer to civil service or other stat board if you perform well. If you are a constant "B" and "C+" grader, your job security is almost unshakeable. You can work till 65 years old if you wish to without fear of being fired.

Yah! The government practice what they preach. They often choose to retrain and redeploy than fire you. In rare cases where they have to let you go, they often highlight multiple openings in other agencies. I speak from experience and observations. Job security really lets you sleep soundly at night. Economy good or bad, it is business as usual for you. As you watch your classmates get fired when the economy go south, you will know you didn't make the wrong choice. As long as you are a good worker and don't have any integrity incidents, your job is safe.

Go with the Stat board.

Unregistered 07-12-2016 01:05 AM

Why are these two jobs dying trades ??? Thought security is hot now ?

Unregistered 07-12-2016 11:30 AM

both are somehow similar.

just to note that.
if you were to stay for long, you will be stagnant without much increment and promotion as gov sector are academic result oriented. there are full of scholar inside. you will still be low level staff after few years.

I myself also 3rd class so i dont dare apply gov jobs.

but for first 3 year its not that bad..

Unregistered 07-12-2016 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 92839)
both are somehow similar.

just to note that.
if you were to stay for long, you will be stagnant without much increment and promotion as gov sector are academic result oriented. there are full of scholar inside. you will still be low level staff after few years.

I myself also 3rd class so i dont dare apply gov jobs.

but for first 3 year its not that bad..

Same for me. I have a pass degree in engineering. I am sure I will be last in the queue if I were to apply for government jobs. Have been working in private companies for the past 7 years.

How do you fare now? Which year did you graduate? How much are you earning now? As compared to peers who are working for government, are you doing better?

Unregistered 07-12-2016 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 92827)
Why are these two jobs dying trades ??? Thought security is hot now ?

It's a different type of security. ST is very old school local telco work like administering policy, maintenance of network hardware/software & troubleshooting.

These jobs are now mostly outsourced to Indian and Pinoy in big MNCs and the ST brand itself also not good in the market, exp can only move around GLC and SME, most international MNC won't accept if stay too long.

For such low security jobs, better to opt for stat board which has better job security and pay/bonus stability.

Unregistered 08-12-2016 11:54 AM

hi everyone, i am a fresh grad and recently I went for an interview for a contract role as a credit documentation analyst role at a bank. Problem is when the offer came to me, the title was different (doc review specialist) and the job description was also far short of what I was shown before. It was supposed to be a job that entails numerous responsibilities ie review credit proposal but now it is just making phone calls to customers on credit card applications. I mean doing less is great but I feel this would leave a bad impression on me at my next job since there is nothing much for me to learn here. I feel I have been tricked to carry out work that anyone without a degree can do. I have not yet signed the offer. What do you all think?

Unregistered 08-12-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 92891)
hi everyone, i am a fresh grad and recently I went for an interview for a contract role as a credit documentation analyst role at a bank. Problem is when the offer came to me, the title was different (doc review specialist) and the job description was also far short of what I was shown before. It was supposed to be a job that entails numerous responsibilities ie review credit proposal but now it is just making phone calls to customers on credit card applications. I mean doing less is great but I feel this would leave a bad impression on me at my next job since there is nothing much for me to learn here. I feel I have been tricked to carry out work that anyone without a degree can do. I have not yet signed the offer. What do you all think?

Times are bad and if you don't want another 50 people will take up. Important thing is what other offers do you have now to compare?

As for different title/work, I don't think it matters that much. Banking contract ops are more or less follow process SOP work, I doubt calling yourself a documentation analyst vs review specialist will really increase your future market value.


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