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Currently an Singaporean going to study medicine in Australia, I’ve been hearing rumours that Singaporeans abroad are being denied a PGY1 spot in Singapore. Is this true? Even though there are 100+ schools that are cut from the second schedule? I will be finishing Med school in 6 years, will the problem improve as years pass if true? My school is still on the second schedule. Thanks
get out while you can. dont waste your parents 500k SGD, look at how hard we slog and how little we earn. many other ways of "helping people". do you think Ng Teng Fong/Khoo Teck Puat "helps people more" or you as a menial cog in this machine.

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Where did you get your basic medical degree from? (Eg MBBS/MD). What’s the process for migrating there, I read you need to be PR first before you can get a residency there after you take their medical licensing exam. How’s the life as a physician there and how’s the pay? Lastly, what made you migrate there compared to where you once were? Thanks.
I graduated from NUS Medical School 1998. MBBS. Back before it was the Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine. (Aside....all the medical schools and hospitals are being named after businessmen who had nothing to do with medicine. It is sad. But that's the reality. Money talks)

You can search up "Migrate to Canada CIC" and find all the information you need. I applied for PR back in 2004. Under skilled migrant category. I got my PR in 2008 and did my landing. Family and I only moved in 2010.

I took the exams - MCCEE, MCCQE1, NAC-OSCE, MMI. Took me 2 years to finish the exams. Applied for residency at the University of Calgary. I was living in Edmonton at the time but I wasn't too keen to go back to medicine really. So I only applied to U of C because their program is the most slack. Only 1 month of hospital rotation (Internal medicine). 2 year program. So only in 1 month out of 24 is there a call schedule. Shiok right?

Life as a physician here is way better. I speak from a general as well as family physician perspective.

Some things are the same. Demanding patients. Patient complaints when they dont get what they want. Patient dissatisfaction if you dont do what they want even if you follow the guidelines. Hey all round the world patient is KING now. Spineless College (sinkieland calls it council), if patient complains and makes false accusations they will believe the patient.

Ok but that aside here are the big differences in Canada:

1) No talk about $$$$. One thing I hated in sinkieland is the $$$ talk. Especially as a private GP. You prescribe medication, the patient will ask how much? Then all the back and forth as to why you wont prescribe a better drug because they cant afford it. And also tests. HBA1c costs about $35 during my time. Patients wont pay for it. So not only do you have to convince the patient to have the test done, you have to convince them to PAY FOR IT. That's sinkieland. Not in Canada. Order the test and the province pays for it. Certain tests eg MRI are triaged by someone else eg radiologist. If they think it isn't necessary they will send you a letter saying so. Then just pass the blame to the radiologist. blood work? Just order. Of course only if the patient wants it. Many PRC patients take this as a buffet. But it is such a relief not to have the sell the monetary aspect of tests and medications. Oh with medications, I dont sell them. They go to the pharmacy to fill their prescriptions. So they haggle with the pharmacy.

2) You are paid for consultation and examination. Paid for the visit. No inventory to worry about (maybe just the drug samples which you can give out free to needy patients or patients you want to give them to). In Alberta a 15 min visit will pay $55.62. If you spend a total of 15 minutes total seeing the patient AND

Writing a referral letter.
Charting.
Reviewing the chart.
Reviewing but not waiting for lab/DI results.
Talking with and examining the patient.
Anything else the physician does in relation to the patient's care.

then you can add a modifier CMGP01 which will give you the $55.62. The base rate for as standard visit regardless of time is $38.03. So it isnt face to face time of 15 min.

So easily if you see 6 patients an hour (and spend some extra time doing your charting after hours) you will be making $300-$400 an hour.

There is also a code you can bill annually for a complete physical exam. Pays $104.60. Think of it as the fee for doing one of those health screening visits/packages in the private clinics and OPS in sinkieland.

3) Family Medicine is a true specialty. If you havent done family med residency you CANNOT be a family doctor. There are ENT surgeons who cannot get a job position at hospitals and CANNOT work as a family doctor and they also cannot get into fam med residency either. So you feel good man. Protected.

4) The only way a patient can see a specialist is if they got a referral letter from their family doctor. No such thing like sinkieland google and call to make appointment with specialist directly. Sorry.

5) Few clinics open at night. Hours are usually 8-5, sometimes less. I personally only work Tuesdays 9 to 5 and Wed to Fr 10-3

I made over 400k my first year and have been consistently pulling in 300-400k per year since. 4-5 day work week.

Life is good man. Weekends we go to the Rocky Mountains to hike, fish, kayak, ski

What made me want to migrate? Actually I got very disillusioned with sinkieland after my SAF MO days. The trigger though was SARS. I was an MO at SGH at the time. Team 1 with Chng Siew Ping and Alex Chao. We all know what happened. What maybe not everyone knows is that we did voice our concerns about how close the TTSH transfer patients were put next to normal wards. I remember Dennis Lim told us at the meeting with Minister and CMB they told everyone this "There are not enough N95 masks to go around. You wear one, then the nurses will wear. Then the clerk will want one. Then the porter. Then the cleaner."

In the end Alex paid with his life. Chng Siew Ping got full blown SARS. I was warded in the room next to hers at TTSH but I did not get SARS.

After that I made up my mind I was getting out of the **** hole (by the way I don't blame the PAP. It is the sinkies themselves. Sinkies are selfish, money minded, kiasi , kiasu, self righteous, maid dependent) I applied for PR 2004 and left my Surgical BST. Went out to be GP and learned a lot as well (that's another story)

I think these days the Provinces in Canada are quite open to Singapore doctors especially if you have completed MMed Fam Med. If you want to be a specialist here it is almost impossible. But family medicine is very do-able.

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How easy is it to get into aesthetic medicine? Looking to complete the COCs during my free time.

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Where did you get your basic medical degree from? (Eg MBBS/MD). What’s the process for migrating there, I read you need to be PR first before you can get a residency there after you take their medical licensing exam. How’s the life as a physician there and how’s the pay? Lastly, what made you migrate there compared to where you once were? Thanks.
I graduated from NUS Medical School 1998. MBBS. Back before it was the Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine. (Aside....all the medical schools and hospitals are being named after businessmen who had nothing to do with medicine. It is sad. But that's the reality. Money talks)

You can search up "Migrate to Canada CIC" and find all the information you need. I applied for PR back in 2004. Under skilled migrant category. I got my PR in 2008 and did my landing. Family and I only moved in 2010.

I took the exams - MCCEE, MCCQE1, NAC-OSCE, MMI. Took me 2 years to finish the exams. Applied for residency at the University of Calgary. I was living in Edmonton at the time but I wasn't too keen to go back to medicine really. So I only applied to U of C because their program is the most slack. Only 1 month of hospital rotation (Internal medicine). 2 year program. So only in 1 month out of 24 is there a call schedule. Shiok right?
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Where did you get your basic medical degree from? (Eg MBBS/MD). What’s the process for migrating there, I read you need to be PR first before you can get a residency there after you take their medical licensing exam. How’s the life as a physician there and how’s the pay? Lastly, what made you migrate there compared to where you once were? Thanks.

Life as a physician here is way better. I speak from a general as well as family physician perspective.

Some things are the same. Demanding patients. Patient complaints when they dont get what they want. Patient dissatisfaction if you dont do what they want even if you follow the guidelines. Hey all round the world patient is KING now. Spineless College (sinkieland calls it council), if patient complains and makes false accusations they will believe the patient.
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Ok but that aside here are the big differences in Canada:

1) No talk about $$$$. One thing I hated in sinkieland is the $$$ talk. Especially as a private GP. You prescribe medication, the patient will ask how much? Then all the back and forth as to why you wont prescribe a better drug because they cant afford it. And also tests. HBA1c costs about $35 during my time. Patients wont pay for it. So not only do you have to convince the patient to have the test done, you have to convince them to PAY FOR IT. That's sinkieland. Not in Canada. Order the test and the province pays for it. Certain tests eg MRI are triaged by someone else eg radiologist. If they think it isn't necessary they will send you a letter saying so. Then just pass the blame to the radiologist. blood work? Just order. Of course only if the patient wants it. Many PRC patients take this as a buffet. But it is such a relief not to have the sell the monetary aspect of tests and medications. Oh with medications, I dont sell them. They go to the pharmacy to fill their prescriptions. So they haggle with the pharmacy.


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anyway in Canada I make about $300-$400k a year. Working 4 days a week. 10-3pm

I dont have to talk about money to patients. Nobody asks how much is this test or scan or medicine

I decided to migrate when SARS killed my friends and colleagues.
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How easy is it to get into aesthetic medicine? Looking to complete the COCs during my free time.

Nothing to it. There is no formal training program.
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get out while you can. dont waste your parents 500k SGD, look at how hard we slog and how little we earn. many other ways of "helping people". do you think Ng Teng Fong/Khoo Teck Puat "helps people more" or you as a menial cog in this machine.

Trouble is most sinkie doctors will say it is too much trouble taking licensing exams etc for a new country.
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Currently an Singaporean going to study medicine in Australia, I’ve been hearing rumours that Singaporeans abroad are being denied a PGY1 spot in Singapore. Is this true? Even though there are 100+ schools that are cut from the second schedule? I will be finishing Med school in 6 years, will the problem improve as years pass if true? My school is still on the second schedule. Thanks
Hahaah even local born sinkies doctors becoming jobless soon. Who did you or your parents vote for?
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