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can someone explain whats the 500 clinical allowance for MO ontop of 5450 basic (post-ns)? never heard of this clinical allowance (i'm a final year student)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Erm?
I'm a year 1 FM AC. 240k lei. Only m.med.
If I do fcfp and clear it then 3 years hit con
About 300k with the con promotion increment per my senior
The ortho con from 5 or 6 or 6 years ago I know cleared 320k as a post 2x hmdp knee/hip con. Maybe with the recent adjustment is 350k or 360k equivalent.
That's fine. The surgical con deserve his paycheck
He work hard to get there and he is really good. I'm no where that standard
I didn't work very hard la. I didn't suffer as a mo to get into a competitive residency. Just apply and got fm liao
FM residency was quite shitty but only for 1.5 years when doing the major rotations. Did quite badly during residency also. Need to be out on performance improvment plan but ok lo, pd quite supportive.
After that cruise.
R4 chiong half a year clear exams.

I would say maybe reward per unit effort quite high.
U all like to say specialist pays well, but U good enough and willing or able to work hard enough to go all the way or not.
At what price? How many Ent , ortho wannabe didn't get in? Life very stress to always sark the balls of the consultant lei.
Get in liao, how much stress . I've seen a few ortho ressie drop out.
One Mo did Ent rotation for 6 years before he gets in. It was his last straw liao.
Internal med resident so burnt out and disillusion that all she want is to finish their bond and go gp land because no energy to fight for senior residency.

Can I ask, according to you, life and pay sounds decent for mmed fm AC. Can I ask why are there so many seniors still leaving after mmed? To be fair, not many left immediately post mmed, but I would say after 3-4 years, at best 30-40% of the whole batch (less than half) remains in the public system.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can I ask, according to you, life and pay sounds decent for mmed fm AC. Can I ask why are there so many seniors still leaving after mmed? To be fair, not many left immediately post mmed, but I would say after 3-4 years, at best 30-40% of the whole batch (less than half) remains in the public system.

Private GPs if they are anchors and work well can make more than that. Also, if they eventually start their own clinics they can make a lot too

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Private GPs if they are anchors and work well can make more than that. Also, if they eventually start their own clinics they can make a lot too

But anchors earn 18-22k. Almost the same in poly.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But anchors earn 18-22k. Almost the same in poly.

Anchors can make more than that. Usually anchors start around there but if they can see a lot of patients and generate good rev they can renew the contract. Also may be fed up of governemnt sector also

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Anchors can make more than that. Usually anchors start around there but if they can see a lot of patients and generate good rev they can renew the contract. Also may be fed up of governemnt sector also

Any idea how much more? I am thinking of not doing gen med, finish my bond and go to gp land. From duke, in my late thirties.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can I ask, according to you, life and pay sounds decent for mmed fm AC. Can I ask why are there so many seniors still leaving after mmed? To be fair, not many left immediately post mmed, but I would say after 3-4 years, at best 30-40% of the whole batch (less than half) remains in the public system.

U which cluster?
Certain cluster morale quite low so retention is always a problem
Pple leave for a variety of reasons
I also though of leaving just to try my hands at starting a clinic
But I'm making average 20k a mth, plus cpf and annual leave , personal insurance and malpractice etc all of which oneself pay own self in my own practice
All in all, I give myself a value of 25k per mth or 300k a year
Assume i rent a place at 15k
Staff 8k
Fix cost already ( 15 +8) x12 = 276k
Plus my basic 300k already 576k


I think taking the plunge is not worth it unless I can earn say 1.5 times my current value.
Eg 450k.
Means revenue needs to be close to 700k
Add 100k for ulities , med , gloves , cleaning lady, IT
Annual revenue need 800k

Work polyclinic hours 8 to 5 v hard in such climate very hard la
Have to work evenings.
Now competition so much
Forces into nehr and healthier SG and part of PCN become a mini polyclinic anyway

Might as well stay right?

I don't see patient every day.
Got protected time
Got admin time
Got teaching time
Got meeting time
Got workgroup time
Sometimes go teach apn
Sometimes go teach lkc
Sometimes go teach nus
Sometimes go become gdfm or osce assessor

Got mc time. Sometimes take a mental health day because v long no clear mc
Got family care leave as well.
Got course to take few times a year
Recent wonca 2.5 days off work.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U which cluster?
Certain cluster morale quite low so retention is always a problem
Pple leave for a variety of reasons
I also though of leaving just to try my hands at starting a clinic
But I'm making average 20k a mth, plus cpf and annual leave , personal insurance and malpractice etc all of which oneself pay own self in my own practice
All in all, I give myself a value of 25k per mth or 300k a year
Assume i rent a place at 15k
Staff 8k
Fix cost already ( 15 +8) x12 = 276k
Plus my basic 300k already 576k


I think taking the plunge is not worth it unless I can earn say 1.5 times my current value.
Eg 450k.
Means revenue needs to be close to 700k
Add 100k for ulities , med , gloves , cleaning lady, IT
Annual revenue need 800k

Work polyclinic hours 8 to 5 v hard in such climate very hard la
Have to work evenings.
Now competition so much
Forces into nehr and healthier SG and part of PCN become a mini polyclinic anyway

Might as well stay right?

I don't see patient every day.
Got protected time
Got admin time
Got teaching time
Got meeting time
Got workgroup time
Sometimes go teach apn
Sometimes go teach lkc
Sometimes go teach nus
Sometimes go become gdfm or osce assessor


Got mc time. Sometimes take a mental health day because v long no clear mc
Got family care leave as well.
Got course to take few times a year
Recent wonca 2.5 days off work.

So begs the original question. Why is morale low like you mention in certain clusters, despite all the perks you have highlighted? Any why do so many still leave eventually (at most half of a batch remain in public 3-4 years post mmed)

I have seen some left to join a group rather than set up own clinic, some just become full time locum. I guess what's the pulling factor outside if all things seem rosy in public like you mentioned

Originally Posted by Unregistered

U which cluster?
Certain cluster morale quite low so retention is always a problem
Pple leave for a variety of reasons
I also though of leaving just to try my hands at starting a clinic
But I'm making average 20k a mth, plus cpf and annual leave , personal insurance and malpractice etc all of which oneself pay own self in my own practice
All in all, I give myself a value of 25k per mth or 300k a year
Assume i rent a place at 15k
Staff 8k
Fix cost already ( 15 +8) x12 = 276k
Plus my basic 300k already 576k


I think taking the plunge is not worth it unless I can earn say 1.5 times my current value.
Eg 450k.
Means revenue needs to be close to 700k
Add 100k for ulities , med , gloves , cleaning lady, IT
Annual revenue need 800k

Work polyclinic hours 8 to 5 v hard in such climate very hard la
Have to work evenings.
Now competition so much
Forces into nehr and healthier SG and part of PCN become a mini polyclinic anyway

Might as well stay right?

I don't see patient every day.
Got protected time
Got admin time
Got teaching time
Got meeting time
Got workgroup time
Sometimes go teach apn
Sometimes go teach lkc
Sometimes go teach nus
Sometimes go become gdfm or osce assessor

Got mc time. Sometimes take a mental health day because v long no clear mc
Got family care leave as well.
Got course to take few times a year
Recent wonca 2.5 days off work.

Congrats bro that sounds pretty great. Does the 20k include cpf? Id assume with bonus and additional components you’d be at around 300k total comp? Is there any room for further career progression?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So begs the original question. Why is morale low like you mention in certain clusters, despite all the perks you have highlighted? Any why do so many still leave eventually (at most half of a batch remain in public 3-4 years post mmed)

I have seen some left to join a group rather than set up own clinic, some just become full time locum. I guess what's the pulling factor outside if all things seem rosy in public like you mentioned

Do U have the exact statistics to support your statement?
Also why do I have to answer your not yet validated question?
Even if validated , also not my responsibilty to reply you.

I'm just giving U my point of view.

Has it occur to you that it might be cause they got the flexibility to do so unlike other speciality?
The gastroenterologist or neurosurgeon might also want to leave..but leave to where?
So can only suck thumb and stay.