Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265653)

What do u mean by fake news ? The pay rise is definitely real as my boss mentioned it last year , im not sure about the % quoted though . It sounds too good to be true , hard to believe can get 10 %

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265579)

The fact that you have 33 days AL suggest you are very senior, as we all know ops starts off with 24 days AL when you 1st sign. Hence, your reference point for benefits may not be so applicable for the juniors in their late 20s/early 30s

Would like to share about my own experience, having left the system last year post mmed

I have negotiated with 3-4 GP groups last year before eventually decided on one. Most offer 44hr/week. Eventually that works out to be 5 days 2 nights and you get both weekends off. Or 5 days, sat morning and 1 night). Permutations of hours very flexible in general. (Esp for some groups like one care)
- some clinics open from 8-3, 6-9pm. So if you don't work nights that day, you end at 3. (Which isn't too bad I feel)

Essentially none of my GP friends working for groups work more than 1 sat morning on weekend. (Not quite sure what you mean by every weekend burnt), and most do not work more than 1 night, which I feel is also acceptable. (Of course I appreciate everyone is different and have different priorities)

Leave wise, all groups I spoke to offer 21 days for a start with increment based on year of service, most groups also have exam/Train leave and CCL as well. MC is 14 days, hl 60 days (same as ops). So far no issues with taking MC for me. But I accept there is no FCL, however really the al is 3 days less for starters compared to ops

Paywise, most offer some form of bonus +/- aws and it ranges from 200-230k, ard 10% higher than ops 1st year mmeder. And there is yearly increment in private too (unlike myths spreading in this thread). I just received my increment after 1 year of service.

Eventually I opted for a CBD clinic 5.5 days 8-5, no nights)
- I know I got alt sat off during my ops days, but really the load is lower outside and less stressful
- 50% health screening/work permit checks, so essentially well patients with NO illness. Those with illness are self-limiting (urti/ge, or simple chronics not extending beyond htn/hld/DM)

I agree cme points have to keep up yourself, but usually not an issue if you attend cfps talks/skill courses (fpsc).

I did join a chain group, so far haven't got pressured too much into profits/losses for clinic yet (1 year in) and definitely less admin/other responsibilities (like teaching/arrows that I kena during ops days)

Guess if you are senior enough (like yourself), your hod (junior) also don't dare to arrow you. Lol

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265582)

bro/sis can share which group? how much the increment.
From my knowledge the pay raise suggested is fake news. corroborated and no such thing.
Also feeling like my career opportunities in ops limited now, hq a lot of people and a lot of ppl in front of me in pecking order. How to progress?
Thanks for sharing about outside so many like me and lurkers have a better idea of what it is like on the ground.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265663)

How to progress?
Answer: you need fcfp (public really need to go all the way with qualifications)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265665)

problem is, even with fcfp not sure if got jobs around or must keep waiting.
Too many people ahead and a lot all taking fcfp.
even deputy / head saturated also already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265665)

problem is, even with fcfp not sure if got jobs around or must keep waiting.
Too many people ahead and a lot all taking fcfp.
even deputy / head saturated also already.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265687)

What progress u want or talking about.
Clinical job is ac, full c and SC
3 ranks nia.
U become hospital specialist also this 3 clinical ranks
Hod job? Hq job?
If u desire admin duties, it's even easier to get in polyclinic than hospital fyi

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265697)

But in FM, AC to c and c to sc is not guaranteed or time based. Depends on performance and positions available unlike other specialties. (Never heard of any specialist not getting senior consultant as long as they stay long enough, compared to FM in ops, I think my cluster only got ard 7-8 sc and 7-8 c to be honest) - mainly the ops heads (my deputy head is fcfp, but she only ac)

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265705)

Exactly. AC maybe can just wait, but after that how?
new polyclinics take time to build.
every poly 1 head 1-2 deputy head.
so many people waiting for these spots.
Education research also got people there already.
1 PD 2 APD.

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 265697)

But in FM, AC to c and c to sc is not guaranteed or time based. Depends on performance and positions available unlike other specialties. (Never heard of any specialist not getting senior consultant as long as they stay long enough, compared to FM in ops, I think my cluster only got ard 7-8 sc and 7-8 c to be honest) - mainly the ops heads (my deputy head is fcfp, but she only ac)