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Old 24-09-2023, 07:43 AM
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The sweetener for law is the steady increment of 1k+ per month every year you rise in seniority. At least until you become partner and have to start sourcing for own clients.

So a good 7 - 8 years of steady increments. This is called 'lockstep progression' in industry parlance. Most people comparing the high starting salaries of other industries like IT fail to account for this 'semi-guaranteed' annual increment that lawyers compare.

How does MO's annual salary progression track this?
so good
Dr v poor thing
not like IT or law
start 3.6K
every year 2-3% increment
study v hard become reg maybe 1K increment
study v hard become consultant maybe 2k increment
become consultant liao life easier a bit, no need source for clients; u have so many patient that you wish u have lesser.

but got free kopi from consultant after morning rounds as a junior. I think i never drank so much starbucks in my life.
Nurses / dietician / psychologist love us a lot -> trophy husband if u are a guy. Bring home mother /father nod in approval. If want can change g/f every year.
That's about it.

become lawyer better
become IT better
can earn 10x doctor salary -> confirm mother / father in law also kowtow to you (whats a nod of approval for doctors right)
LAW AND IT FOR THE WIN , YO!

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The sweetener for law is the steady increment of 1k+ per month every year you rise in seniority. At least until you become partner and have to start sourcing for own clients.

So a good 7 - 8 years of steady increments. This is called 'lockstep progression' in industry parlance. Most people comparing the high starting salaries of other industries like IT fail to account for this 'semi-guaranteed' annual increment that lawyers compare.

How does MO's annual salary progression track this?

You are really a greenhorn! First of all, itís not a fair comparison if you compare private law firm salaries vis-a-vis MOHH salaries. A fairer comparison will be the Singapore legal service/legal aid bureau salaries with MOHH doctor salaries because both are public in nature.

Secondly, most doctors will leave MOHH after their bond expires for local grads/ when they get full reg for IMGs! No one will still stay on unless you are training in a residency.

$1000 a month increment for 7-8 years? Thatís pathetic . I received a DOUBLING of my monthly salary when I left MOHH after my bond to the private sector. Was earning $7500 a month as an MO, left MOHH after my bond and joined Healthway, now making $15000 a month!

Law will always fall behind Medicine, unless you get into an international firm where NQ salaries already start at $10000 a month. But how many actually get into those? About 5% of law grads I reckon.

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Old 24-09-2023, 08:07 AM
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The guy boasting about legal salaries is really a greenhorn! I know very well about med and law salaries because I work as a private GO while my girlfriend works as an associate in A&G.

First of all, itís not a fair comparison if you compare private law firm salaries vis-a-vis MOHH salaries. A fairer comparison will be the Singapore legal service/legal aid bureau salaries with MOHH doctor salaries because both are public in nature.

Secondly, most doctors will leave MOHH after their bond expires for local grads/ when they get full reg for IMGs! No one will still stay on unless you are training in a residency.

$1000 a month increment for 7-8 years? Thatís pathetic . I received a DOUBLING of my monthly salary when I left MOHH after my bond to the private sector. Was earning $7500 a month as an MO, left MOHH after my bond and joined Healthway, now making $15000 a month!

Law will always fall behind Medicine, unless you get into an international firm where NQ salaries already start at $10000 a month. But how many actually get into those? About 5% of law grads I reckon.

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Old 24-09-2023, 09:33 AM
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Hi doctors and seniors, I'm a year 3 local med student, just want to consult a few questions regarding how to prep for getting into a residency of my choice and career in general:

1) Currently i'm doing some SRMAs but the topics are not really of my interests, i signed up for them in year 2 purely for exposure and hoping to master the skill of doing SRMA, and i'm thinking of doing some SRMAs related to my specialty of interest once i finish the current ones and have some specialties in mind after rotating through all year 3 positings (at least gen med and surg)

2) Career wise money is not my goal in the short term, i prefer to do work that makes me feel fulfilled and worthy, and from my pov, money is like a complement that shows the recognition of the work i have done

3) Surgery seems pretty interesting from my very shallow observation and understanding, i find procedures like wipple, different bypasses and transplants extremely creative and i like how surgeons can do procedural stuff and still see patients at outpatient clinic at the same time

4) Based on what i learned in y1-y2 only, body-system wise i'm interested in neuro, then followed by cardio, gi; i don't really want to do derm or ortho or ophthal as i found conditions in those specilties very niche and isolated

Hence, may I get advice how can i prep from year 3 now in order to get into the residency i want (preferably surgical or neuro related)? i think if i cannot get into the specialty i'm passionate about, i prefer to become a GP instead of specilising in something i'm not very interested in, as i also appreciate and admire the work done by gps see in terms of the broadness in the conditions they see

Thank you and my apologies if some of my viewpoints appear naive.
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The guy boasting about legal salaries is really a greenhorn! I know very well about med and law salaries because I work as a private GO while my girlfriend works as an associate in A&G.

First of all, itís not a fair comparison if you compare private law firm salaries vis-a-vis MOHH salaries. A fairer comparison will be the Singapore legal service/legal aid bureau salaries with MOHH doctor salaries because both are public in nature.

Secondly, most doctors will leave MOHH after their bond expires for local grads/ when they get full reg for IMGs! No one will still stay on unless you are training in a residency.

$1000 a month increment for 7-8 years? Thatís pathetic . I received a DOUBLING of my monthly salary when I left MOHH after my bond to the private sector. Was earning $7500 a month as an MO, left MOHH after my bond and joined Healthway, now making $15000 a month!

Law will always fall behind Medicine, unless you get into an international firm where NQ salaries already start at $10000 a month. But how many actually get into those? About 5% of law grads I reckon.
Private GO. Lol!
You joined healthway? Good luck to you man! Lol!
$15,000 a monrh? That's pathetic.
FYI I am a Fam Doc myself. Not lawyer. $15k a month is pathetic
By world standards for Fam Drs.
30k is more like it.


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Hi doctors and seniors, I'm a year 3 local med student, just want to consult a few questions regarding how to prep for getting into a residency of my choice and career in general:

1) Currently i'm doing some SRMAs but the topics are not really of my interests, i signed up for them in year 2 purely for exposure and hoping to master the skill of doing SRMA, and i'm thinking of doing some SRMAs related to my specialty of interest once i finish the current ones and have some specialties in mind after rotating through all year 3 positings (at least gen med and surg)

2) Career wise money is not my goal in the short term, i prefer to do work that makes me feel fulfilled and worthy, and from my pov, money is like a complement that shows the recognition of the work i have done

3) Surgery seems pretty interesting from my very shallow observation and understanding, i find procedures like wipple, different bypasses and transplants extremely creative and i like how surgeons can do procedural stuff and still see patients at outpatient clinic at the same time

4) Based on what i learned in y1-y2 only, body-system wise i'm interested in neuro, then followed by cardio, gi; i don't really want to do derm or ortho or ophthal as i found conditions in those specilties very niche and isolated

Hence, may I get advice how can i prep from year 3 now in order to get into the residency i want (preferably surgical or neuro related)? i think if i cannot get into the specialty i'm passionate about, i prefer to become a GP instead of specilising in something i'm not very interested in, as i also appreciate and admire the work done by gps see in terms of the broadness in the conditions they see

Thank you and my apologies if some of my viewpoints appear naive.
Donít worry
No one wants to do surgery nowadays
All your friends will be heading for GP land
Relaxing while you post call 7th time that month
So should be ok, nothing extra you need to do, just indicate interest and they take you already
Plus your seniors quitting left and right
Maybe take you as HO alr
Good luck!
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The guy boasting about legal salaries is really a greenhorn! I know very well about med and law salaries because I work as a private GO while my girlfriend works as an associate in A&G.

First of all, itís not a fair comparison if you compare private law firm salaries vis-a-vis MOHH salaries. A fairer comparison will be the Singapore legal service/legal aid bureau salaries with MOHH doctor salaries because both are public in nature.

Secondly, most doctors will leave MOHH after their bond expires for local grads/ when they get full reg for IMGs! No one will still stay on unless you are training in a residency.

$1000 a month increment for 7-8 years? Thatís pathetic . I received a DOUBLING of my monthly salary when I left MOHH after my bond to the private sector. Was earning $7500 a month as an MO, left MOHH after my bond and joined Healthway, now making $15000 a month!

Law will always fall behind Medicine, unless you get into an international firm where NQ salaries already start at $10000 a month. But how many actually get into those? About 5% of law grads I reckon.
A&e AC annual package how much ah?
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Old 24-09-2023, 12:17 PM
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Hi doctors and seniors, I'm a year 3 local med student, just want to consult a few questions regarding how to prep for getting into a residency of my choice and career in general:

1) Currently i'm doing some SRMAs but the topics are not really of my interests, i signed up for them in year 2 purely for exposure and hoping to master the skill of doing SRMA, and i'm thinking of doing some SRMAs related to my specialty of interest once i finish the current ones and have some specialties in mind after rotating through all year 3 positings (at least gen med and surg)

2) Career wise money is not my goal in the short term, i prefer to do work that makes me feel fulfilled and worthy, and from my pov, money is like a complement that shows the recognition of the work i have done

3) Surgery seems pretty interesting from my very shallow observation and understanding, i find procedures like wipple, different bypasses and transplants extremely creative and i like how surgeons can do procedural stuff and still see patients at outpatient clinic at the same time

4) Based on what i learned in y1-y2 only, body-system wise i'm interested in neuro, then followed by cardio, gi; i don't really want to do derm or ortho or ophthal as i found conditions in those specilties very niche and isolated

Hence, may I get advice how can i prep from year 3 now in order to get into the residency i want (preferably surgical or neuro related)? i think if i cannot get into the specialty i'm passionate about, i prefer to become a GP instead of specilising in something i'm not very interested in, as i also appreciate and admire the work done by gps see in terms of the broadness in the conditions they see

Thank you and my apologies if some of my viewpoints appear naive.


Ah the naiveness and sweet-old ignorance of medical school studentsÖ I was in your shoes 10 years ago.

Fast forward to now, I have left for the green pastures of GP land/aesthetics. Many of my peers also quit their GS/internal Med residencies.

Idealism doesnít exist in the real world kid. You need to fill your stomach and start saving for retirement. Thatís why many canít tolerate the slog in public and left for private practice.

I suggest you, to just study hard for medical school. Wait til you graduate and become a HO. Then tell me if you are still idealistic and burning with fire passion to become a surgeon


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Why be an MO when you can be a senior consultant
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The guy boasting about legal salaries is really a greenhorn! I know very well about med and law salaries because I work as a private GO while my girlfriend works as an associate in A&G.

First of all, itís not a fair comparison if you compare private law firm salaries vis-a-vis MOHH salaries. A fairer comparison will be the Singapore legal service/legal aid bureau salaries with MOHH doctor salaries because both are public in nature.

Secondly, most doctors will leave MOHH after their bond expires for local grads/ when they get full reg for IMGs! No one will still stay on unless you are training in a residency.

$1000 a month increment for 7-8 years? Thatís pathetic . I received a DOUBLING of my monthly salary when I left MOHH after my bond to the private sector. Was earning $7500 a month as an MO, left MOHH after my bond and joined Healthway, now making $15000 a month!

Law will always fall behind Medicine, unless you get into an international firm where NQ salaries already start at $10000 a month. But how many actually get into those? About 5% of law grads I reckon.
Huh. Nobody is saying law is better than medicine leh.

But everyone can see that public doctors can a raw deal compared to just about any 'high-flying' careers in the private sector like finance or law.

Obviously the promised land for doctors is to go to private healthcare. But somebody has to man the barricades in PHIs, no? Maybe doctors who are more noble and devoted to serving patients than you lor.

You're setting up strawman arguments.
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