How is life as a doctor in Singapore?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

be doctor good. Everyone thinks you earn a lot of money. Except no banker lawyer or Minister will want to be doctor lah.

exactly, everyone thinks Drs earn alot when they actually dont. for the same number of hours worked, lawyer banker consulting earn 2x or even 3x

i look at doctors with pity haha
assoc con 20k/per month? what bull
my brother is a consultant at ttsh dont even get 20k, what more an assoc con

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You want ask how many times?

assoc con 20k/per month? what bull
my brother is a consultant at ttsh dont even get 20k, what more an assoc con

Originally Posted by Unregistered

exactly, everyone thinks Drs earn alot when they actually dont. for the same number of hours worked, lawyer banker consulting earn 2x or even 3x

i look at doctors with pity haha
assoc con 20k/per month? what bull
my brother is a consultant at ttsh dont even get 20k, what more an assoc con

Supply and demand. There are so many ignorant people still want to be drs and their parents also want their children to be drs. Don't know the reality. And who would want to expose the reality? Drs? They want their pride. Government? They want to keep the myth going. So more suckers still want to be drs. Meanwhile they make tweaks to the system to make healthcare cheaper and affordable at the expense of doctors. The sweet spot is to pay the doctors well enough such that it isn't exactly low but yet not enough that they can work very hard for 5-10 years and then retire rich enough. make them work till they die. Also if it pays well enough they find it hard to justify switching careers after all the hard work put in. Dont be stupid and fall for this trap. I know many drs will not advise their children to take up medicine because they know the truth. As we go into the coming decades I see the trend continuing. Salaries of doctors will fall behind inflation.

[sinkingfeeling]

Be overworked/unpaid doctor is more satki than being unemployed hikkikomori, at least one is actually contributing to society

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Lol. My plan is to pursue a science degree followed by postgraduate medicine. Thanks for being so “encouraging” with your words. If the healthcare system is full of people like you who look down on others, I understand why people find it so toxic. Also, no. Money, status, and fame were never on my reasons of why medicine. On the other hand, there are many people I know with 90RP who go into medicine purely for the money, and of course, our universities accept them.

I just wanted to find out the current situation of the medical field in Singapore. The percentage of doctors who apply year after year to the specialties they want to no avail, or maybe a rough number. What do they end up doing?

Get off your high horse. Given what you said you're likely just after status, fame, money which other doctors has already pointed out is in decline. If you're really altruistic you could consider being a medical social worker, or if you die die want to be surgeon apply to the thousands of medical schools in Malaysia and work as a surgeon there.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This entire thread seems so depressing. I’m going to ORD. Originally wanted to pursue undergraduate medicine, but was rejected from multiple universities in the UK and Australia. I was from a Poly, so it’s too competitive to enter NUS or NTU medicine. From what I’ve read here and what people I know told me, becoming a specialist, especially as a Singaporean IMG coming back to Singapore is just too difficult and will take too much time. I genuinely wanted to do medicine for a long time and pursue a surgical specialty (I don’t mind the working hours and everything else), but it just seems like it’s not worth it anymore? Am I even able to get a HO posting with so many local grads and IMGs?

Hmm. If u can't even get into a full fee paying place in UK or Australia, u really have to accept that academically , you are not there la.
Actually nus and ntu has been very accepting of diploma now a days. You can't run away from academic excellence when you want to do medicine. Results not good, just admit it, no need to justify. I'm an Australian graduate so I can tell u I know how lax their entry requirements are.
Bluff us ok, bluff yourself for what.
Still want to aim for Duke nus? Got money go Australia redo 2 years of foundation studies then aim for undergraduate entry . Higher chance

It's very funny when young 20 year old chaps who had never work a single day in their life say they dun mind the working hours and everything else. Fyi, real doctoring is nowhere close to what you see on Grey's anatomy or new Amsterdam TV shows.

Fyi, not that hard for fmg (foreign medical graduate , you use IMG wrongly) to get a speciality training position in sg. U try applying for ortho position in Australia,. Go to the racs website and see how they calculate the points. U literally have to be godlike to get a position. In UK, it's almost impossible as a foreigner.
Sg is really a walk in the park comparatively. You just need to show commitment , dun piss off anybody , show some intelligence and you will get in after a year or 2. So easy to get in that quit rate is quite high..

There are seriously so many egoistic snobs here. There are many doctors who pursue an undergraduate degree followed by postgraduate medicine as well, because they could not enter undergraduate medicine. Are you saying that none of them are academically inclined and don’t deserve to be doctors? Some of you guys are ridiculous. Thanks for showing me the elitist side of medicine in Singapore. I appreciate you broadening my horizons.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hmm. If u can't even get into a full fee paying place in UK or Australia, u really have to accept that academically , you are not there la.
Actually nus and ntu has been very accepting of diploma now a days. You can't run away from academic excellence when you want to do medicine. Results not good, just admit it, no need to justify. I'm an Australian graduate so I can tell u I know how lax their entry requirements are.
Bluff us ok, bluff yourself for what.
Still want to aim for Duke nus? Got money go Australia redo 2 years of foundation studies then aim for undergraduate entry . Higher chance

It's very funny when young 20 year old chaps who had never work a single day in their life say they dun mind the working hours and everything else. Fyi, real doctoring is nowhere close to what you see on Grey's anatomy or new Amsterdam TV shows.

Fyi, not that hard for fmg (foreign medical graduate , you use IMG wrongly) to get a speciality training position in sg. U try applying for ortho position in Australia,. Go to the racs website and see how they calculate the points. U literally have to be godlike to get a position. In UK, it's almost impossible as a foreigner.
Sg is really a walk in the park comparatively. You just need to show commitment , dun piss off anybody , show some intelligence and you will get in after a year or 2. So easy to get in that quit rate is quite high..

Fyi, NUS and NTU are not as accepting of diplomas as you think. Every year less than 10 Polytechnic students enter medicine in NUS. I’m not sure if that number as risen, but it definitely has not risen significantly. I also never said that doctoring was like Grey’s Anatomy. It’s bold of you to assume that. Even if my GPA isn’t excellent enough now, it does not mean that my undergraduate GPA would not be for postgraduate medicine. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for opening my eyes to the toxic side of the medical industry in Singapore.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Fyi, NUS and NTU are not as accepting of diplomas as you think. Every year less than 10 Polytechnic students enter medicine in NUS. I’m not sure if that number as risen, but it definitely has not risen significantly. I also never said that doctoring was like Grey’s Anatomy. It’s bold of you to assume that. Even if my GPA isn’t excellent enough now, it does not mean that my undergraduate GPA would not be for postgraduate medicine. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for opening my eyes to the toxic side of the medical industry in Singapore.

I think you dont believe what we are saying. And you are still going to become a doctor. I want you to remember this moment when you are on call and are dead tired running around like headless chicken and being screwed by toxic egoistic seniors and nurses. Dont say we never warned you. Since you are so determined. Good for you. You should chase your dream and make it come true. Everything else after getting your degree remember when I say this....it will be a long long nightmare.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Fyi, NUS and NTU are not as accepting of diplomas as you think. Every year less than 10 Polytechnic students enter medicine in NUS. I’m not sure if that number as risen, but it definitely has not risen significantly. I also never said that doctoring was like Grey’s Anatomy. It’s bold of you to assume that. Even if my GPA isn’t excellent enough now, it does not mean that my undergraduate GPA would not be for postgraduate medicine. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for opening my eyes to the toxic side of the medical industry in Singapore.

Its not toxic for med schools to set some minimum academic standards for entry into medicine! What's so difficult to understand?!

Coming from someone who actually sound s rather petulant and entitled - its a bit rich of you to accuse the "medical industry in Singapore" of being "toxic" !

So med schools are supposed to take anybody who insists they have a burning passion to be a doctor regardless of grades? They're just supposed to take your word for it that you can cut it intellectually and not be burnt out?

The fact of the matter is this - entry standards for full paying Aussie med schools are EXTREMELY lax. If you have been rejected on that basis, it should be a fair indicator that med school will be EXTREMELY challenging for you.

As with any course of study or job, academic performance is a rough (some would say blunt) proxy for one's ability, but it usually is an adequate indicator.

If you're so convinced that medicine its within your capabilities, then go excel in undergrad. You don't need to prove anything to us here. Who you need to convince is whatever postgrad admissions committee you're gonna apply to.