Take a few weekend courses and get your COCs. Find a smaller/new aesthetic clinic that is willing to take in people with little or no experience. Don’t expect much when you are joining with no experience. Probably looking at around $9000/month for new hires with no experience. Your goal is to accumulate experience, before applying to a bigger chain.

To the person who said that the increase is in can share more pls for poly pay review ? Am left in a limbo to quit or not , boss said coming soon 1 -2month ago , till now nth

Patience.

Will come in 2024 Feb
Just stay first and get ur 2023 dec bonus

Which cluster is this.
Just spoken to my ops HR, they starting job offers for us R4. I was quoted 8.6/mth (before additional allowance and bonus etc) if we pass mmed
But essentially it's the same deal as our seniors 3 years ago (so where is the increment?)

Again. Patience
Ur boss can only quote current contract

Just stay in system
Do well. Pass ur mmed
You will be rewarded greatly

got la. the 3 clusters already aligned and ratified. Everyone morale v low so they no choice. MOH no money so delay to Sep while they get the perm sec to sign off the release. Will delay again or not dunno la...

but don't hope too much. FPs are a cheap solution to a very expensive ageing health problem. Pay you as much as specialist then you become another cost problem also.

Give u 10 minutes per patient need u to look after their 5 to 10 problems and even preventive health. Now throw in healthier SG some more as if we very eng. Bloody hell, they even sneak in a weight loss discussion hard stop for obese patient. FP in ops really bao ka liao.

u want to stay in OPS then u must aim for head / HQ work / research or education liao. You want to be a responsible clinical FP just see patient and go home daily u will kenna squeezed -> day in day out see 40-50 patient, maybe 15 complicated and 2 or 3 really irritating one u will get burn out and no light at the end of the tunnel one.


Better leave early for private practice la.
mainly acute conditions and sell MC -> dont need a lot of brains. Just need to smile nicely and be reassuring.
5-10 simple chronic a day. HTN , HLD or simple DM only nia.
sell health screening packages
do some chemical peels or laser for added commission
You will see more patient than OPS but no stress ones.
patient generally nice -> strange but true. Private GP patient pay more but they less demanding. OPS a lot of entitled patient -> and they are not your relatively worse off heart landers but usually those with education and living in landed property coming in to take advantage of the system.
really FON and TLC ++.

Agree with what you say. The weight loss discussion hardstop suggest maybe we are from the same cluster lol. Also got a lot of admin stuff in teamlet care like recruit into this program, that program (e.g ptec) also a lot of admin stuff like results vetting for the whole clinic etc.. can be quite Sian sometimes.


My only concern is if the GP groups will remain profitable and pay well once the healthier sg formulary rules kick in (i.e PT pay same for meds at GP as per ops pricing).
But definitely looking to leave ops after mmed this year for a simpler life. (Hopefully can include 1-2 days of teleconsult into my hours, then can whh)

Agree with you guys that Primary Care is getting to be too much for too little. It is partly our own fault trying to push Primary Care to be important and able to cover everything. Geh khiang. Not to mention more and more patients like to argue and say they read on internet.....dowan this dowan that.....

Sounds like in SG there aren't many options outside of Primary Care for GPs/FPs.

Glad I managed to find something overseas. Family Medicine is too stressful and difficult and all for a measly flat consult fee no matter how well or poorly you did as a doctor.

How to convince public to lose when some docs bmi is >23.5

I think ops need to tie bonus to bmi.
Bmi 23.6 to 25.0 minus 1 month
Bmi 25.1 to 27.0 minus 2 month
Bmi 27.1 to 30.0 minus 3 month


Bmi>30.0 compulsory taf club during recess
I.e during lunch time continue to see patient
No lunch break

LOL!
Yeah that's why I say Primary Care in SG is dead.
Specialize. If you can't then do aesthetics or something else.
Do Primary Care they demand you to be like a some model human being perfect, read minds, can make everyone happy, cure everything. And pay you low consult fees.

why would anyone wants to be a GP in singapore? the volume of work is too much and not properly compensated financially.
why not just go into aesthetic? even if you dont want the burden to open an aesthetic clinic and run biz, just work for others.

Aesthetic also has its problems. The clientele is not exactly the nicest most easy going friendly humble people. Not every person goes for aesthetic services and is able to pay the high fees. You should know.
Need to eat humble pie. Kowtow.
As it is cosmetic work, the insurance premiums are higher. Also risk of lawsuits as well. You are not dealing with people in medical need. Margin for error is very very thin.
There is also increasing competition.
Working for others also means challenges. How much are you bringing in? If you are not performing then out you go.
Seriously in Singapore the only alternative outside of GP work is Aesthetic? No other alternatives? What about 24h clinics? Emergency? Pain? Mental health? Sports?

I guess the specialist field is also quite well developed so they corner everything.

Strange that the plastic surgeons and dermatologists don't corner the aesthetic market?

Even if you work for others, you need to hit a certain monthly revenue target for the clinic to retain you.

Bulk of an aesthetic doctor’s compensation depends on his variable component, which is tied to his individual revenue production.

It is highly competitive, and good people skills are needed more so than simply medical procedural skills.

Some who cannot handle the stress/pressure will leave aesthetics after a few months. They rather work as locum GP instead. Pay is also good, minus the competition

the guy u reply to doesn't even know the diff between a GP and FP. dun bother la.

To be honest, most patients also don't. I am on the register but don't see myself different from a GP, esp if I work for someone. (I know ops got different pay packages and gp cannot open a FP clinic but outside if you work for someone/locum, pay not much diff)

Lol. Are you still a Med student or what??? Seriously if you want to know aesthetics is about, go and work in a beauty hair salon like Jean Yip. Go and see how those beauty hair stylists have to sweet talk and aggressively market themselves. Aesthetics is actually no different from that. It’s part of the beauty industry. Don’t just read old news of people making it big in aesthetics. It’s not easy like before. First movers had a great advantage last time. Now, anyone with a MBBS can just do aesthetics after attending a few courses. So what’s the main selling point of an aesthetic doctor? Your communication skills and appearance. It all depends on whether people like you or not.

Locum gp no competition? As of now there are close to 1.8k doctors on the locum telegram group Lol

Singapore likes to have all these different classes of the same role
It is to control salaries.
Having "just" GPs allows MOH to hire lower cost doctors.
And the FP is an ideal for the GPs to strive for.
Also makes the FPs feel good about themselves.
It is not in the patients interests.
If truly the standard to function properly as a primary care dr
Is to be FP then every primary care dr should be MMed.
No such thing as have or dont have.
In other countries all have in order to be a primary care dr in independent practice
Which is why you wont see other country drs making much of a distinction between GP and FP
Quite synonymous although Family Medicine is the preferred term vs General Practice these days
There are some situations overseas where it is foreign trained drs who are assessed and passed for practice readiness but only have training that is foreign so they may be classed GP instead of FP. But it is just a difference in title. Work and pay is all the same.

Good locum GP will be in demand.
Also establishing good relationships.
I think naturally if a locum finds a clinic a good fit
They might go full time or semi regular.
But yes more competition is there.

I have seen many doctors from close by and not so close by asian countries.

Just wanted to ask whether doctors’ qualifications are regulated like lawyers?
Ie, only some foreign unis are allowed.

You can be conditionally registered even if your Uni degree is not in the schedule. Just get a postgraduate qualification like MRCP, MRCGP etc.

Temporary registration is also possible for graduates from non-recognised unis. You just need to sit the final YLL MBBS exam to convert to conditional reg.

Regulation is definitely not so strict as lawyers. You need to hold citizenship or permanent residency to be a qualified person for Singapore bar.

So is there heavy competition fron foreign drs?
Or are there so many spots in need to be filled that local drs
Donr want?
Iis MOE also using this approach as a way to introduce
Competition and keep dr wages controlled?
Perhaps one day we will see many foreign drs with MMed too

Really gor no other alternatives in SG?
Naturopathy? Alternative and complementary medicine?
Mental health? Talk therapy?
Pain management?
Botox for migraine. Interventional pain management?
Nerve blocks? RF ablation under fluoroscopy?
Rehabilitation? Chronic pain clinics?
ECT? rTMS?

Omg august pay still same , no increase
They expect us to wait how long , the very soon like not coming
Rly cannot take it in ops

The increase when come also cannot settle you one
Just move on to a happier place

Thanks for the update. So basically, doctors from all unis are fine so long as they pass the final YLL MBBS exam, is that right?

Wow didn’t know that! Then Law is a lot stricter. Either the UK scheduled unis or the two local unis!

I think don’t have to be SG citizen or PR to take the bar and practise btw. Plenty of foreign students.

Honestly what is the range of increase we talking about, in terms of annual package? (10%, 20%?)

There is no concrete news on when it is coming right? maybe never...

Ball park is
3-5%
5% for juniors
3% for seniors

Isnt this like the yearly increment? Damn.

Many CECAs are using UK as a backdoor to enter SG as a RP. They just do PLAB and then FY2 before applying to GP training. Another 3 years and they will apply to Singapore with a CCT and MRCGP. So they will be conditionally registered even though their Uni is from Mumbai/Kolkata

MRCGP got (UK) and (intl) right? Different?
SG accepts MRCGP (Intl)?

If you are training in the UK, it’s the MRCGP (UK). Singapore recognises that

Thank you. Are there any extra requirements besides having the MRCGP (UK)? Need for practice ready assessment? Any extra exams?
Or one essentially "walks right in" to independent practice in Singapore with the MRCGP(UK)?

Please share the link to the locum telegram group. Thanks.

What is HC consultant?

There’s no extra exams. A MRCGP (UK) only gives you the right for conditional reg. You still have to work as a RP for at least 2 years to get full reg. If you are a PR/foreigner, maybe longer.. at least 4-5 years.

You can only practice independently in the private sector if you hold full reg.

He is referring to HC. Health clinician. Essentially you have to do all the slog work in the department, while getting paid 1/3 of a consultant’s salary

They should not have announced the pay review for ops if no concrete approval yet

whats the pay