How is life as a doctor in Singapore?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Can I ask, is the salary of a FM associate consultant or consultant (assuming that one has completed fcfp) comparable/similar to their non procedural counterparts (e.g Geri, IM, rheum, endocrine, diagnostic radiology) in public institutions?

I am seeing Community hospital (CH) employing residents of both FM and IM (usually Geri/rehab/AIM) backgrounds. They are given titles of associate consultants and eventually consultants after completing the relevant qualifications (i.e fcfp for FM, exit exams for the IM Sr etc). Was wondering if they are remunerated similarly as I presume they are essentially doing the same job in the same CH as a senior doctor.
And similarly if fp consultants in ops are paid the same (again after they complete fcfp and the relevant requirements to become consultant)

Generally a FP C makes around 300k/yr.. that’s why u hardly see any of them in private.. they can shake leg and work from 9-5 with occasional teaching duties with no stress.

Even more relaxed than that guy who is doing health screening in a GP clinic.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Actually people are missing the point. I am saying that one can make 220k+/- per year as a GP with very little stress and I would dare say practically no worries of retrenchment.
There are people who can make more, but I would say for the life and relatively easy work, it would be above average in sg already. I.e don't make it sound like one would be in poverty/have issues with retirement planning if he chooses the GP route. (Maybe house smaller and eat less than specialist but won't starve la)

Problem is most people choose medicine for the lofty dreams of being a surgeon/specialist.

I can bet u 100% all of the students in YLL will tell u the same if y interview them. Ofc they are naive and don’t know the reality. The reality is that 70% of them will end up as a GP/FP. There simply isn’t enough spots for everyone to train as a specialist

Originally Posted by Unregistered

GP wage is stagnant.. even at a top chain theres no way to increase your wage unless you work more hours.. so the pay scale is standard from 180k-260k/year

THATs WHY DONT BE A GP.. U think setting up a clinic is easy??? Many old timer GPs already captured the market.. as a young guy your clinic will close down for sure

Patients don’t look at your qualifications they go to doctor that they trust. U see those old timer GP with MBBS only out earning those fresh faces FP docs with a MMED..

GP market is tough. You won’t be poor but don’t expect your salary to SCALE like a specialist.

That’s the truth.

It's ok lah 180k not bad already. There will always be someone earning more. Top bankers > top lawyers > top tech talent > top surgeons > every other professionals. Healthcare is 4th so there'll be many more earning higher

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Generally a FP C makes around 300k/yr.. that’s why u hardly see any of them in private.. they can shake leg and work from 9-5 with occasional teaching duties with no stress.

Even more relaxed than that guy who is doing health screening in a GP clinic.

But do Geri or AIM consultants also make 300k/year in public institutions or they make more as they are specialists?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

But do Geri or AIM consultants also make 300k/year in public institutions or they make more as they are specialists?

Should be around that figure.

Non specialists ( senior residents and below ) make way less.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

GP is not worth it. Aesthetics is great but too saturated today unfortunately. I am the psych guy from UK and in all honesty I will recommend all Singaporeans in the Uk to do training before they return to SG.

Main reason is because work conditions are way better in the UK and it’s easier to get into training because all the metrics are clearly listed.

My friends who returned to SG are doing very very poor. Out of the 10 who chose to return.. 8 are working as GPs. Many of them tried to dabble in aesthetics but are not good enough and got sacked by the clinic.. they are now in their mid 30s and obviously regretted their initial path but nothing they can do now but to deal with it (life as a GP)

There’s 2 who were lucky to get into residency in SG (IM residency) but they are now stuck in the advanced stage because they want to get into advanced spec like GI/cards but those specialities are too competitive to get into. They now have to either wait and reapply every cycle (which they are doing), or exit as an IM generalist which is useless in private sector, or opt for a non lucrative spec like geriatrics.

End outcome is that they are not happy and overworked and seriously can u believe it.. most are still single.

Meanwhile I only have a year left in my training and I am happy and living a balanced life.. already engaged to a Korean pharmacist girl , and will relocate back to SG after CCT

Maybe the problem is your circle of friends. Everyone I know of, except three, got into residency. Some of them got into their residency of choice, after failing to get into them in the UK

Can't see how being engaged to a Korean pharmacist is something to show off. Let us know when you are engaged to another doctor.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Maybe the problem is your circle of friends. Everyone I know of, except three, got into residency. Some of them got into their residency of choice, after failing to get into them in the UK

Can't see how being engaged to a Korean pharmacist is something to show off. Let us know when you are engaged to another doctor.

Yea must ask him which med school he’s from cos all my peers have gotten into various different specialties and those who haven’t just chose to train in the UK. training in the UK also viable but training in sg is fine too. Worst case even if u don’t get in ur not bonded what just train elsewhere and return or go private

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Should be around that figure.

Non specialists ( senior residents and below ) make way less.

Geri or AIM make a bit more

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Maybe the problem is your circle of friends. Everyone I know of, except three, got into residency. Some of them got into their residency of choice, after failing to get into them in the UK

Can't see how being engaged to a Korean pharmacist is something to show off. Let us know when you are engaged to another doctor.

Hey doctor, med student here. Do you have a business email or a reddit so that i can dm you for some advice?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It's ok lah 180k not bad already. There will always be someone earning more. Top bankers > top lawyers > top tech talent > top surgeons > every other professionals. Healthcare is 4th so there'll be many more earning higher

yea but among top lawyers bankers doctors and tech guys it dosent matter much. Who cares if u make 4 mil or 2 mil?