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where do people go once they do not get retained after TC?
probably home, but sometimes they have a drink somewhere else first

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There can be little doubt that NUS law students mostly studied at the same JCs, and as Mr Subhas Anandan has observed, that we mostly come from similar socio-economic backgrounds. After almost four years at the school, a few clear observations can be made. I hope no one finds them offensive; I think these observations are abundantly obvious, and I do not make any value judgment about these facts. First, law students generally have wealthier backgrounds than average Singaporeans. This can easily be assumed based on the type of housing most of my peers (and I) live in. Secondly, mother tongue fluency and mastery is doubtful among a fairly large number. This is worrying when we consider the important role of representation lawyers play. There are further observations about the over- and under-representation of certain races and religions, but I will play safe and avoid them here.

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Be wise people, not just smart lawyers: former Attorney-General V. K. Rajah tells NUS law graduates

The following article is taken from The Straits Times. Click here to go to the original article.

JUL 8, 2017, 12:58 PM SGT | UPDATED JUL 8, 2017, 9:19 PM
Janice Tai | Social Affairs Correspondent

SINGAPORE – Be yourselves. Embrace competition. Seek a larger purpose.

Former Attorney-General V. K. Rajah dispensed these advice to law graduates from the National University of Singapore (NUS) on Saturday morning (July 8), as he urged them to be not just smart lawyers but more importantly, wise people.

“Try and be lawyers with good heads and good hearts. Be wise lawyers. In Singapore, we have many clever people but not enough wise ones,” said Mr Rajah, who stepped down as the AG this January following a career as a Judge of Appeal, a High Court judge and the managing partner of law firm Rajah & Tann.

Speaking at a commencement ceremony that also marked the NUS Faculty of Law’s 60th anniversary, Mr Rajah noted that many young lawyers would want to emulate apparently successful lawyers and feel the need to assume some of their traits.

“A word of advice. Don’t. Be yourselves. By all means, absorb all the professional lessons but do not blindly absorb all the personal attributes that you witness,” he added.

“There are practising lawyers who have changed their identities and become uncaring in seeking to secure their clients’ ends. They practise ostensibly within the letter of the law without observing its spirit.”

On embracing competition, he said it would be sad “if lawyers still plead for protection from international competition” decades after Singapore started its first law school.

“I do not think that lawyers today have any right to try and deny clients access to the best legal minds available, Singaporean or international,” said Mr Rajah, who said he would be returning shortly to private practice without elaborating.

On seeking a larger purpose, he said law firms and lawyers “should not be defined by just billing targets, profits and compensation”.

“Unlike the hospitality business, the client is not always right. A good lawyer does not slavishly follow the client’s instructions. Instead, he counsels the client to achieve balance,” said Mr Rajah, who was from the 1982 batch that included Senior Counsel Davinder Singh and Judges of Appeal Andrew Phang and Steven Chong.

He also urged the graduates not to stay on longer in the legal profession than they have to if they are uninterested as “only those with passion will excel”.

“Unhappy lawyers are not just unhappy persons but a lack of commitment can have adverse consequences for others. Find your passion by all means. Today, a law degree opens many doors,” he added.

Mr Rajah’s comments come even as the third law school here opened in the SIM University earlier this year, amid an oversupply of young lawyers and declining interest in the law profession among youth.

Chief Justice Sundaresh Menon said last year that the number of new entrants to the profession has doubled in the past five years. Last year, 509 new lawyers were admitted to the Bar.

The Straits Times reported on Monday (July 3) of the waning interest in law among university applicants, with 17 per cent fewer applicants at NUS listing law as their first choice compared to last year. For the Singapore Management University, the drop was 22 per cent this year. More students were opting for majors such as computing.

But Mr Rajah assured parents of those who choose to leave the law that their children have not just wasted four years of their lives.

He noted that NUS law graduates have,over the last 60 years, excelled in many different fields beyond the law including diplomacy, high finance, the business world and the arts.

He cited several from the 1961 pioneering class, such as “Mr Chan Sek Keong, the finest legal mind Singapore has known; Professor Tommy Koh, the finest diplomat Singapore has produced; and Mr TPB Menon, Singapore’s finest Chancery lawyer until he left active practice”.

Mr Rajah described the 1961 batch as the “wise class” that trump the clever in making a difference to society and lives and added that that other batches, including his 1982 cohort, should seek to emulate them.

Eight members of the 1961 class including Prof Koh, who were the inaugural batch of students admitted to the Faculty of Law of the then University of Malaya (now NUS) in 1957, attended the commencement ceremony on Saturday to support the 2017 graduating class and celebrate the faculty’s anniversary.

Prof Koh told The Straits Times that he hopes Singapore’s very brightest students continue to see law as their first choice for their future.

“A legal education prepares our students not only for a career in the law but for a whole variety of options, the foreign service, business and even the arts,” he added.

Among the graduating class of 2017 – over 300 of them – is a team of students who emerged as champions against the University of Queensland in a hard-fought grand final of the 18th International Maritime Law Arbitration Moot on July 5.

Student Douglas Lok, 25, was also named “Best Speaker in the General Rounds”. This was NUS Law’s fifth win in this competition, with the previous wins in 2000, 2001, 2010, and 2015.

Said Mr Lok: “I am confident that as long as we are willing to work hard and maintain an open mind, we will have long and fulfilling careers regardless of whether we are in or outside of the legal industry.”
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THE NEW PAPER Apr 24, 2016
Nicholas wants to shield his extended family from the shame of him being poor in Singapore.

He wants a fictitious name used and pictures that do not show his face.


The former freelance tutor, 51, tells The New Paper on Sunday: "I have siblings, nephews and nieces here, and I don't want to shame them."

Nicholas did not start out poor.

He had a job that paid $2,500 a month and was a strapping man until he took ill suddenly in 2008.

"My potassium level had fallen really low a couple of times that year, and I had to be warded and given potassium chloride from a drip.

"The pain was excruciating," he recalls.

It was then that Nicholas was diagnosed with diabetes, a condition that had gone undetected for two years.

By the time it was discovered, he had already suffered nerve damage.

The chronic disease that cost him his sense of touch also took away his confidence to teach and face the world.

"No one would give me, a sick man, a job. My self-confidence and emotions took a tumble," he says.

"The condition got worse and I lost the use of my left hand. I've no feeling in my hands - I can't retrieve coins from my trouser pockets because I can't feel them."

Getting up from a chair or the toilet seat is a long-drawn-out process.

STRUGGLE

"It takes me 10 to 20 minutes every morning when I go to the toilet because I struggle to get up. The pain I encounter every day cripples me, both physically and mentally," Nicholas says.

He could not work because of his condition, and it took a toll on his mental well-being. He is also now no longer on speaking terms with his family. Without support, Nicholas became depressed.

"I tried applying for a rental flat, and the Housing Board officer advised me to approach the CDC (Community Development Council).

"I guess I ticked all the boxes because I got on Public Assistance without any hitches," he says.

Nicholas says that out of the $450 he receives a month, he has a little more than $200 left after paying all his bills.

"It is still a struggle. I've to make sure I spend only between $7 and $8 a day to survive," he says.

"Every morning, Willing Hearts delivers food packs. I usually have that for lunch - sometimes for both lunch and dinner. I add water to make the food into porridge for dinner," he adds.

Willing Hearts operates a soup kitchen that cooks and distributes about 4,500 meals to the needy every day.

Fully run by volunteers, its beneficiaries include the elderly, people with disabilities, low-income families, children from single-parent families as well as migrant workers here.

Nicholas says his Medisave ran out in 2013 and he now depends on help from both Changi General Hospital and the CDC for his medical expenses.

Every day is a struggle for Nicholas.

When asked what he fears most, he says: "Tomorrow."

Robin Hood of North Bridge Road


Photo: The New Paper

Mr Willie Yeo, 65, is wheelchair-bound and needs financial and medical help.

But his poor elderly neighbours are his priority.

"Whenever my friends, who remember me, take me out for a scrumptious meal at a grand restaurant, I would tar pau (pack in Hokkien) food back for my neighbours," he says.

It is no wonder that he earned the nickname "Robin Hood" among his neighbours at the rental flats in North Bridge Road.

Mr Yeo, a divorcee who lives alone, says he lost his job because of his many health problems.

"The bank foreclosed my flat in Yishun, and I was forced to sell it. I made only $15,000 from the sale, which went to paying back money I had borrowed," he says.

"I used to be a roving salesman more than 10 years ago, selling beads for making jewellery.

ILLNESSES

"I would lug between 20 and 30kg of beads from one place to another and travelling only by public transport," he says.

He believes that was the cause of his degenerative wear and tear of his right ankle, which resulted in metal pieces being attached to his right foot.

Mr Yeo has a litany of other problems.

"I have diabetes and hypertension, and I suffer from fatty liver. I also have asthma and testicular cancer.

"I recently underwent radiation treatment for prostate cancer. I go to Tan Tock Seng Hospital for a check-up twice a month. That's why the nurses all know me well," he says with a chuckle.

He is also recovering from a fractured right shoulder - believed to be due to osteoporosis - and suffers from pain in his knees.

While his medication is covered by Medifund and the hospital's endowment fund, Mr Yeo is no longer on Public Assistance since he started collecting his Central Provident Fund in 2013 after he turned 62.

"So I withdraw $540 each month, and I sell tissue paper to earn another $300 to supplement my income," he says.

Some people have rebuked him for selling tissue paper and that has depressed Mr Yeo.

"I hope people understand that we didn't ask to be sick and to be thrown suddenly into poverty.

"Who doesn't want to be healthy and earn a proper living?

"Perhaps that's why I throw myself into helping my neighbours out. I feel happy when I see them happy," he says.

He hopes to become healthy again


Photo: The New Paper

He was once a cook - and a good one too, he says.

Then the 54-year-old, who wants to be known only as Mr Lee, suffered a heart attack and stroke six years ago.

He says he lost his job, his family and a roof over his head.

The bachelor was living with his mother in her flat in the east of Singapore, but he felt like a burden as he was jobless and sick, so he left.

"I felt that I was a disappointment to her. If I were not living there, it would be out of sight, out of mind," he says, tears welling in his eyes.

Homeless for the last three years, Mr Lee has been sleeping in parks and sometimes at an uncle's place.

"He recently suffered from a stroke, so by staying over, I can help to keep an eye on things," he adds.

Mr Lee gets his meals from charity Willing Hearts, which runs a soup kitchen.

PHYSIOTHERAPY

"Previously I went to a Chinese temple in Geylang for vegetarian food. Many homeless people I've met take their meals there.

"But I developed gout and have to stay away from bean-based food, so I stopped going to the temple," he says.

For his daily hygiene, Mr Lee says he goes to a public pool for his showers.

"I don't go in free of charge. I use the voucher given out by the Government for SG50. I also swim once in a while as a form of physiotherapy.

"I am hoping to get back my health so that I will be able to look for a job," he says.

He told The New Paper on Sunday that his Public Assistance fund of $400 a month "will dry up by the end of the month".

"I can't simply wait around for handout," he says.

He was advised to claim insurance as he suffered his heart attack while still working, "but I don't want to, because that would mean if I win, then I cannot seek help from any government agencies any longer".

He does not have a clue how much money he can claim from his insurance.

Mr Lee hopes to return to cooking for a hawker stall, even though the stress may be too much for his heart to take.

"I am working on getting healthy because that is the only skill I know, but I am worried no one will hire a sick man," he says.

"Then again, tomorrow is another day," he adds in a chirpy voice before riding off on his bicycle, with his worldly possession contained in the basket behind him.

About the study

To design solutions for the poor and get low-income Singaporeans to help lead the study, the researchers formed an advisory committee made up of 10 men and women from low-income communities.

The Centre for Culture-Centred Approach to Research and Evaluation then launched an online campaign to raise awareness on poverty here.

Research assistant Naomi Tan says: "This is where we argue that the community members, in this case the low-income, are in the best position to identify and define the problems they face and the corresponding solutions that would actually be impactful and relevant to them."

What does it mean to be poor

The study found:

Low-income Singaporeans either live in interim or public rental housing. Some are homeless.

They have a monthly household income of $1,500 or less. Some are on Public Assistance, which ranges from $450 to $1,180 each month and has a set of eligibility criteria.

They are unable to afford healthcare as they do not have enough savings or do not earn enough.

Some of the elderly, despite having children, are struggling to get by.

They suffer from food insecurity, so they eat cheap but non-nutritious food.

They cut down on the number of hot meals a day, worry if there is enough food in the house and are choosing to not spend their limited cash on healthier foods

Challenges faced by the poor

Although the resources to help are available, the poor do not know how to get information on what they are eligible for or how to get to the relevant agencies.

Another significant hurdle is the submission of an application that is according to the requirements set out by the agencies.

Many from the low-income group find the stringent conditions tedious and frustrating.

Stigma and alienation from relatives and the community at large hinder the poor from seeking the help needed.

The Government has set up safety nets, such as Medifund, for low-income individuals who face health problems.

Despite these efforts, they still cannot afford healthcare due to insufficient savings or a low wage.


This article was first published on April 24, 2016.
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The money is not worth it in this industry. If you're in a small firm, even more so. Every day is a struggle.
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The money is not worth it in this industry. If you're in a small firm, even more so. Every day is a struggle.
How much do small firms pay? Would it be above 4K starting?
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How much do small firms pay? Would it be above 4K starting?
Don't think so
1) how small are the small firms? small / smaller? less than 10pax, 10-20pax? or?
2) imo, probably between 3.2k - 3.8k
3) local uni grad? foreign uni grad? ivy league grad? honors?
4) doing TC? called to the bar yet?

can be as low as high 2k too... depending what kind of job you do... can be very menial tasks (which doesn't require you to be a lawyer to do. honestly, a paralegal can do the job just fine too. template and repetitive).

small firms can be 1-2 partners show with 2 associates too... so how small is small?
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Don't think so
1) how small are the small firms? small / smaller? less than 10pax, 10-20pax? or?
2) imo, probably between 3.2k - 3.8k
3) local uni grad? foreign uni grad? ivy league grad? honors?
4) doing TC? called to the bar yet?

can be as low as high 2k too... depending what kind of job you do... can be very menial tasks (which doesn't require you to be a lawyer to do. honestly, a paralegal can do the job just fine too. template and repetitive).

small firms can be 1-2 partners show with 2 associates too... so how small is small?
Between 3.2k - 3.8k is very pessimistic. I'm not sure about the compensation for smaller outfits but I doubt it goes so far below 4k. Please correct me with examples, if I'm wrong. Cheers!
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Between 3.2k - 3.8k is very pessimistic. I'm not sure about the compensation for smaller outfits but I doubt it goes so far below 4k. Please correct me with examples, if I'm wrong. Cheers!
you doubt? is based on feelings or statistics?

the above figures came from a casual chit chat with a senior lawyer who runs his own law firm during one of our short chat along the corridors / lift common area...

was as curious as the person enquiring... i'm an accountant btw, just wanna know how those peeps from the other side lives as my office bldg is surrounded by loads of law and audit firms.


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