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Old 12-08-2020, 12:57 PM
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are you charles yeo by any chance? you sound pretty extreme.

Anyway, my point is that while there is more work to be done for litigation in terms of research, this translates to higher billings and, consequently, higher bonuses as an associate.

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are you charles yeo by any chance? you sound pretty extreme.

Anyway, my point is that while there is more work to be done for litigation in terms of research, this translates to higher billings and, consequently, higher bonuses as an associate.
Which post are you referring to

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are you charles yeo by any chance? you sound pretty extreme.

Anyway, my point is that while there is more work to be done for litigation in terms of research, this translates to higher billings and, consequently, higher bonuses as an associate.
His point is that research is generally (and fairly) not a billable. Not unless your case turns on something like whether cryptocurrency can be considered private property, etc.

I guess if you work for B4 then most of your caseload turns on such esoteric points of law. But up to a point lah. Cannot be I turn to Lawnet every time for eg frustration/force majeure for each case like as though I reading for the first time. Client sure will ask you what - have you done this before? In your experience, etc etc.

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Ya and also a pcr action for overcharging. So many padding their time to so called do research get up etc. Its frightening. How is it humanly possible to clock more than 300 billable hours in a mth consistently. I heard some firms allow useless lawyers to enslave paralegals. Make them do everything but then the main bulk of time is being keyed by the sleeping lawyers. To me this is not just a pcr issue but a criminal offence of cheating.
Wow mindblown i want to join such firms can shake my leg
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Oh i was referring to post 8280.

I thought the whole point was to key in your time spent, including research. It doesn't have to be hours spent on research. Time will have to spent on research even on minor points to ensure that there has been no changes in the law/citations of law are correct, and such time spent should be reasonable.

But to say that research should not be included in billings is surely wrong?
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Oh i was referring to post 8280.

I thought the whole point was to key in your time spent, including research. It doesn't have to be hours spent on research. Time will have to spent on research even on minor points to ensure that there has been no changes in the law/citations of law are correct, and such time spent should be reasonable.

But to say that research should not be included in billings is surely wrong?
He / she was pointing out that unreasonable and inordinate amount of billings under guise of research is wrong. As well as phantom billings via work done by paralegals.


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are you charles yeo by any chance? you sound pretty extreme.

Anyway, my point is that while there is more work to be done for litigation in terms of research, this translates to higher billings and, consequently, higher bonuses as an associate.
Yes and no. There are more egregious areas of law which allow for phantom billings to be perpetuated and useless lawyers exploit this system to inflate billings and engineer higher bonuses. Its like u r paid more for slacking more n others paid less for doing real work.
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Oh i was referring to post 8280.

I thought the whole point was to key in your time spent, including research. It doesn't have to be hours spent on research. Time will have to spent on research even on minor points to ensure that there has been no changes in the law/citations of law are correct, and such time spent should be reasonable.

But to say that research should not be included in billings is surely wrong?
Boss discretion. Clock time for some firms is really so they know you never eat snake. In such cases, what they choose to bill for from your time sheet is up to them. We all know lah, attend PTC sometimes can be 3 hours but talk to court atm 10min only.

Other firms lagi best, time taken to punch hole staple all also bill.
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Boss discretion. Clock time for some firms is really so they know you never eat snake. In such cases, what they choose to bill for from your time sheet is up to them. We all know lah, attend PTC sometimes can be 3 hours but talk to court atm 10min only.

Other firms lagi best, time taken to punch hole staple all also bill.
If its monitoring then punch card. Billing is a client issue regulated by pcr and lpa. Use ur brain
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Guys/ladies, i just passed my probation with a firm (thank goodness).

Should i be worried that my billings have been absolutely horrendous this month (2nd to 3rd month of employment)? Some days i bill 2 hours. Today i have yet to bill a single hour. lol

I have already told my partner/s that i can take on more files, but none have yet to come. Should i take it easy for now or keep asking for more work?
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