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Old 15-07-2020, 02:00 AM
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All the non-law professional careers which I personally know law grads have pivoted into:

(1) Civil service (MFA, MTI, EDB)
(2) Business Development roles, as mentioned above, for a range of MNCs
(3) Mid-tier Consulting (but this will almost definitely require some self-study on your part, maybe also an internship/probation period)
(4) Compliance in banks/finance depts
How does one go into biz dev roles though, do we need sound knowledge of statistics and other software like Scrum and agile?

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How does one go into biz dev roles though, do we need sound knowledge of statistics and other software like Scrum and agile?
BD roles focus on driving business growth and mainly fall into two categories: partnerships (sales) and expansion opportunities (which needs a lot of skills on data and statistics). It is good if you have such skills but many hirers apparently are not too concerned if you have the relevant background when youíre starting out at a junior level. This is because most skills such as CRM specific exp are taught when youíre on the job.

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BD roles focus on driving business growth and mainly fall into two categories: partnerships (sales) and expansion opportunities (which needs a lot of skills on data and statistics). It is good if you have such skills but many hirers apparently are not too concerned if you have the relevant background when youíre starting out at a junior level. This is because most skills such as CRM specific exp are taught when youíre on the job.
Plus itís best if you start out when youíre young and youíll have plenty of time to climb up to an executive level. Average pay for account executive at an MNC like Salesforce is about $9k.

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Plus itís best if you start out when youíre young and youíll have plenty of time to climb up to an executive level. Average pay for account executive at an MNC like Salesforce is about $9k.
For those interested in branching out of the legal industry to completely unrelated areas, is there any advantage to practising law for say, between 1 to 3 years, before moving out?

Quite apart from the fact that one who decides not to remain in the legal industry after one's PTC ends cannot be truly said to have practised law, arguably there a former practising lawyer would bring along certain perspectives/insights/qualities that would appeal to organisations, even if his/her substantive knowledge might not be applicable?
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The answer is: it depends.

What you get out of the 1 - 3 years in the industry is from what you put into it.

If you're the kind that's content to only draft wills and do simplified uncontested divorces...you tell us what sort of perspective/insight/quality you have then that appeals to organisations.

Everything can be repackaged for sale - that's what lawyers do after all. But only up to a point. If you haven't done anything with your life, it'll show.
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The answer is: it depends.

What you get out of the 1 - 3 years in the industry is from what you put into it.

If you're the kind that's content to only draft wills and do simplified uncontested divorces...you tell us what sort of perspective/insight/quality you have then that appeals to organisations.

Everything can be repackaged for sale - that's what lawyers do after all. But only up to a point. If you haven't done anything with your life, it'll show.
Thanks all of you for the insights. I will be called in august but I will leave the industry and apply for a BD or account managerial role. I have spoken with a few seniors and I can safely conclude from our conversations that almost the entire legal industry will head towards a general hiring freeze save for a selected few depts from each firm (and those few spots are going to be extremely competitive).

I will read and learn more about BD roles and statistics during this time while I am sending my applications out. Good luck to the rest of you who are looking to leave the industry!
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The answer is: it depends.

What you get out of the 1 - 3 years in the industry is from what you put into it.

If you're the kind that's content to only draft wills and do simplified uncontested divorces...you tell us what sort of perspective/insight/quality you have then that appeals to organisations.

Everything can be repackaged for sale - that's what lawyers do after all. But only up to a point. If you haven't done anything with your life, it'll show.
Absolutely agree with this. No matter what you do - it comes across so clearly when an individual has no life experience.


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For those interested in branching out of the legal industry to completely unrelated areas, is there any advantage to practising law for say, between 1 to 3 years, before moving out?

Quite apart from the fact that one who decides not to remain in the legal industry after one's PTC ends cannot be truly said to have practised law, arguably there a former practising lawyer would bring along certain perspectives/insights/qualities that would appeal to organisations, even if his/her substantive knowledge might not be applicable?
I got called and never held a PC. I earn an extremely low salary now.

That said, I have friends who have done very well for themselves with ineligible law degrees (recognised uni, grade too low) as in house counsel. I'm not sure why I failed to land any such roles despite being called but the lesson and answer to your question is, it doesn't really matter.
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I got called and never held a PC. I earn an extremely low salary now.

That said, I have friends who have done very well for themselves with ineligible law degrees (recognised uni, grade too low) as in house counsel. I'm not sure why I failed to land any such roles despite being called but the lesson and answer to your question is, it doesn't really matter.
I would have to agree that it doesnít really matter in the long run. But while youíre looking for jobs outside the industry, please read about the new roles as much as possible. Try to look at your CV and then point out the relevant skills you think can be applicable to the role. Everything can be repackaged. After you have done this and got the role, everything about law will be in the past and it wonít matter anymore. What matters is your performance in that role itself.
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For those interested in branching out of the legal industry to completely unrelated areas, is there any advantage to practising law for say, between 1 to 3 years, before moving out?

Quite apart from the fact that one who decides not to remain in the legal industry after one's PTC ends cannot be truly said to have practised law, arguably there a former practising lawyer would bring along certain perspectives/insights/qualities that would appeal to organisations, even if his/her substantive knowledge might not be applicable?
The answer above about "life experience" and "it depends" is a bad one. It really doesn't work that way.

When thinking about career moves, you should always think about it from the hirer's perspective. What value proposition do you bring to my org as a lawyer with 1-3 years of experience? I will give you an example. Say you are a M&A lawyer. A really good one. After 3 years, you decide you want to switch out and become a BD manager. You apply to my org. Do your 3 years of M&A experience mean anything? Straightforward answer: No. Even if I were to be planning an upcoming merger, something right up your alley, (1) it's not your job to handle the merger, and (2) if I really needed legal advice, I would consult my law firm. Not my BD manager.

Of course the situation is different if you are inhouse counsel, but we're discussing the case where one applies to a non-law related role.

Then the common response at this point is: "What about the soft skills that you have as a lawyer communication writing analytical skills bla bla bla". My answer is: Sure. You have that. But you're also expensive. If you're coming in as a 3PQE, will you accept a pay that's equivalent to a fresh grad? Probably not. But that's your value to me right now because you have no experience in the field. And fresh grads can also have those small skills. Even if you are willing to accept that, wouldn't I rather hire a fresh business graduate who already has some notion of business concepts from a degree that is somewhat related to the field?

In short, the longer you stay in law, the harder it is to get hired in a non-law field. Simple as that. If you wanna get out, get out earlier. This is anecdotal as well, have many friends who experienced the same. The most common way of pivoting out is apply to a good school, do a MBA. Then you can restart your career.
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