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Old 29-06-2020, 01:20 AM
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Basically if you’re already in big4 or good mid sized there is no incentive to join the sg arm of an FLA. Some of these FLAs’ international hire sg lawyers directly. In that case, it would be worth it if you are getting 20-30% increases or more. Otherwise, wait for an opportunity to go to a real international. Assuming your goal is a higher salary only.
Agreed. Also you gotta think on their side - why are they ever going to let you go to the international side for international pay when you do their menial tasks for them for cheap? They are not going to do that esp when they can make out a quick and easy case on a difference in the quality of hires. They'll keep you on the Singapore scale.

Any intra-firm hopping to intl side is frowned upon and sets a dangerous precedent (not that it has not been done). It is dangerous because hey now even A can get intl pay why cant B get it.

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Thanks again for your detailed answer! So does this mean there is also no way to find out if the person is from the international or local side (because the international firms feature all the associates across the FLAs anyways).

I also know of some local hires (ie, those hired by local LFA partners) have gone to secondments. So it is abit perplexing to me. But yes I agree, perhaps the difference is the sensitive issue of pay and only them and their prospective employees would know.
Yes. The work they do may not even matter if they are paid SG rates. End of day, money talks lah. If you are really a quality hire they will pay you intl rates. It's fluff. The international side needs manpower that is paid in cheap SG scale.

Work wise - nope. Pay is very very sensitive, those in FLAs on SG side may choose not to tell you that they are second class in terms of last drawn. This is also why this forum exists (fourth wall, broken)

The selectivity of local side is no higher than any non-FLA. Some differences, but across the board within a reasonable band of difference.

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Agreed. Also you gotta think on their side - why are they ever going to let you go to the international side for international pay when you do their menial tasks for them for cheap? They are not going to do that esp when they can make out a quick and easy case on a difference in the quality of hires. They'll keep you on the Singapore scale.

Any intra-firm hopping to intl side is frowned upon and sets a dangerous precedent (not that it has not been done). It is dangerous because hey now even A can get intl pay why cant B get it.
Surprisingly I know of a few local hires from Ashurst ADTlaw whose salary is almost comparable to the international side

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Surprisingly I know of a few local hires from Ashurst ADTlaw whose salary is almost comparable to the international side
There are quite a few FLAs with comparable pay between local and international sides.
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Yes. The work they do may not even matter if they are paid SG rates. End of day, money talks lah. If you are really a quality hire they will pay you intl rates. It's fluff. The international side needs manpower that is paid in cheap SG scale.

Work wise - nope. Pay is very very sensitive, those in FLAs on SG side may choose not to tell you that they are second class in terms of last drawn. This is also why this forum exists (fourth wall, broken)

The selectivity of local side is no higher than any non-FLA. Some differences, but across the board within a reasonable band of difference.
Are FLAs more selective than non-FLAs for TCs?
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Surprisingly I know of a few local hires from Ashurst ADTlaw whose salary is almost comparable to the international side
Must have been international rate hire (if comparable). This is because they must have made a strong local case of quality.
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Are FLAs more selective than non-FLAs for TCs?
Can I answer by analogy? Politely, as I do not wish to offend anyone am more of a neutral observer. Does EHE hire more selectively now or from 1 July? If the merger is scuppered, HEP will likely hire in the same way it always has pre, post, and during merger. It makes no difference whatsoever.

Not likely that the hiring practice has changed so much in 1-2 months.
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Yes. The work they do may not even matter if they are paid SG rates. End of day, money talks lah. If you are really a quality hire they will pay you intl rates. It's fluff. The international side needs manpower that is paid in cheap SG scale.

Work wise - nope. Pay is very very sensitive, those in FLAs on SG side may choose not to tell you that they are second class in terms of last drawn. This is also why this forum exists (fourth wall, broken)

The selectivity of local side is no higher than any non-FLA. Some differences, but across the board within a reasonable band of difference.
Haha that reminds me of the time when A&G and A&O considered merging but failed in the end. Besides sharing the same name, A&G probably does not want to share their own reputation and capabilities.
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Haha that reminds me of the time when A&G and A&O considered merging but failed in the end. Besides sharing the same name, A&G probably does not want to share their own reputation and capabilities.

Lololololol
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There are quite a few FLAs with comparable pay between local and international sides.
Yes but the bottom line is if your pay is comparable to the SG bracket (below Baker, as my benchmark), you are on domestic pay. If your pay is comparable to CC, you're on international. Take that as a rule of thumb.

If there's a difference of 15% or more for the same PQE, you're on the domestic track. If your pay ish 15% more you're on the intl track.

15% means you look around you and start asking questions. Y dis guy or gal same PQE different pay neh does it mean I weak sir. The firm will also have a strict confidentiality policy (usually) to prevent people from discussing pay as it is a touchy topic.
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