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Old 25-06-2020, 08:22 PM
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Yup FCH in law.... =/= FCH in Economics
Uh itís easier to get FCH in economics. And anyways fch law can switch to IB any day. At least early stage

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how come i noticed from linkedin that a particular department at MBFC T1 has no born and bred trainees as its associates?! how is the culture there like ah?
Well...it could be either the firm that sucks and no one stays, or all the trainees suck, and the firm does not want them to stay.

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Uh itís easier to get FCH in economics. And anyways fch law can switch to IB any day. At least early stage
Lol. FCH law useless for IB sir. They rather take math or econs or even business.

Maybe FCH doctors should do IB

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Well...it could be either the firm that sucks and no one stays, or all the trainees suck, and the firm does not want them to stay.
Prolly the trainees
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Uh itís easier to get FCH in economics. And anyways fch law can switch to IB any day. At least early stage
Lol dream on. A law degree is pretty much useless outside of law.
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What if I'm not a chad? Or a dudebro. Fk. I'm never getting to TSMP noooo
If you're not a chad or a dudebro why do you want to get into TSMP?
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Hi guys, for those who have been offered interviews for Assoc position at Big 4 through a direct email application, how long did you wait before you got a response from HR? I don't know how long I should expect to wait before I assume I have not been shortlisted.
My timeline from application to offer was about 2 weeks.
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No bro I just can't type less than X characters so I had to use dots.

This sounds correct based on what I hear. For Avg salary. Still more than SG law.
Thank you. Appreciate your response.
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Can someone please explain the route And duration from small firm litigation to either big 4 or intl? Uk grad here. And if itís worth the amount of time.
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Can someone please explain the route And duration from small firm litigation to either big 4 or intl? Uk grad here. And if itís worth the amount of time.
I wouldn't put much faith in duration benchmarks. Also, you have to account for factors beyond your control (like the availability of positions in your desired team).

As far as route goes, learn as much as you can in the smaller firm. You'll have much fewer internal protocols to suck up your time. You'll probably have the opportunity (or be forced) to do work that's higher up the foodchain than your NQE friend in Big 4. While your friends in larger firms are doing nothing but churning out research/advice/articles, you will likely be attending hearings, making appearances, and drafting court documents (pleadings/submissions etc). You may have the opportunity to run your own files, take on client-facing roles, etc, potentially just because there's no manpower.

There are NQ assocs who within their first six months of practice in a smaller firm have solo'd contested hearings, appeals in the High Court, and settled cases, largely on their own.

There are two issues here: don't confuse the importance of the task with the size of the case, and don't assume just because nothing went wrong that you did everything right.

Importance vs size: drafting pleadings unsupervised is very very important. Poorly-drafted pleadings can destroy your case. But drafting pleadings for a $20,000 MC suit and drafting pleadings for a $20 million HC suit are very different things.

Doing things right: working in a small firm can sometimes swing too far in the direction of giving you autonomy, to the point where nobody points out mistakes you've made because nobody's caught them, and you can build up years of bad habits and be well on your way to a negligence/disciplinary tribunal matter before you know it. It's important in a smaller firm to find trustworthy and skilful mentors (note: I didn't say they had to be nice ones), that can give you the essential input you need to avoid going off the rails.

Your marketable qualities to a larger firm are going to be your skills, exposure, and accomplishments (rather than academic scores/prestige etc, presumably), and you have to grow them in the appropriate direction. Being a Wonder Associate in a small firm that handles mainly marital disputes is not going to help you much to get into a larger firm's banking disputes team.

So, tl;dr my advised route:

1) learn to do important work well
2) learn to do important work correctly
3) learn to do important work that matters to your desired position.

And network, network, network. You never know when the person you randomly talk cock with at the State Courts while waiting for yet another SFD hearing, will be the one to say, "Eh actually my partner is looking for another assoc..."
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