Lawyer Salary

Originally Posted by Unregistered

How real is burn out in the profession? Can anyone share some rough figures of how many people leave within 2PQE, 5PQE?

A lot, and a lot.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

How do firms view this disaster?

No retention in this economy. Not like we have a shortage of lawyers

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No retention in this economy. Not like we have a shortage of lawyers

Same goes for Part B failures.

Heard failure rate for some modules really gg.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hmm. Would you consider US? Like Columbia or NYU or UCLA?
KCL Int’l Business Law is good but it’s still very common law based.
If you want a commercial law education, a US school would give you greater business exposure. Esp US securities law.

hmm cos I was only offered KCL LLM. May I ask what is KCL well known for?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

A lot, and a lot.

This pretty much. I had a study group of 6 peeps during part b.
All oversease uni. Only 2 of us are left in practice. Even then, one has left the big leagues and decided to set up shop herself - doing pretty ok, last i heard.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

hmm cos I was only offered KCL LLM. May I ask what is KCL well known for?

Think the question is more like - what for you intend to practice. KCL has a few specialist courses - one for construction, one for international financial regulation, etc etc etc.

It is not worthwhile taking up an LLM which you do not intend to use in your professional career. That's just a plain waste of money even if you take it up - this is especially so if you already have a TC offer. 1 year pqe in practice FAR FAR exceeds the value you get from a KCL LLM.

NB, not dissing KCL LLMs. I'm a former KCL LLM Grad. I'm merely speaking from experience. I only left to do my LLM after 3 years - and honestly, i intended for it to be more of a sabbatical and an opportunity to travel/relax rather than for its potential returns (which is really not much). If you read a couple of pages back in this forum, you'll realize that this is generally the consensus on LLMs - not just KCL LLMs in particular.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Think the question is more like - what for you intend to practice. KCL has a few specialist courses - one for construction, one for international financial regulation, etc etc etc.

It is not worthwhile taking up an LLM which you do not intend to use in your professional career. That's just a plain waste of money even if you take it up - this is especially so if you already have a TC offer. 1 year pqe in practice FAR FAR exceeds the value you get from a KCL LLM.

NB, not dissing KCL LLMs. I'm a former KCL LLM Grad. I'm merely speaking from experience. I only left to do my LLM after 3 years - and honestly, i intended for it to be more of a sabbatical and an opportunity to travel/relax rather than for its potential returns (which is really not much). If you read a couple of pages back in this forum, you'll realize that this is generally the consensus on LLMs - not just KCL LLMs in particular.

hmm I am not really wasting any PQE per se because its part of a 4 year NUS LLB + LLM degree programme. I'm also not sure which specialist course I want to get in yet. Do you have any suggestions on which courses I should look into? Thanks!

1 - llm dont help ur career, its not a req to become a qualified person. if u farked up ur llb with 2:2 and/or going to delisted uni, anyone who knows anything wont fall for ur kcl llm. i got friend who did kcl llm and now end up do community law in chinatown bucket shop. u think u can sian ur way into big 4 u wait long long hor.

nb if its the nus one can overseas during 4yrs llb ie to cornell or nyu just do whatever u want lah. its not like theres some secret formula of llb and llm subject combis that unlock higher salary and make ur kukubird bigger. who tf is gonna tell u here employers are looking out for columbia llm in intl tax? lawyer to be cannot make an argument and sell urself, go and study dentistry instead lah.

2 - dun be lazy sack of shyt re: part a. if u studied for ur llb like that not only is ur llb not worth the paper its printed on, ur gonna be like those goondus who retake part a several times until they realise how to pass the papers. no one is gonna tell u any magic combi or secret. why tf i wanna help someone who just gonna compete with me for rlt/tc? better u bang ur thick skull trying over and over again and eventually giving up.

tldr sinkies need u to point them, unzip, and hold their kukubirds while they pee. farking hell might as well just ask us to plan ur bloody career from start to finish for yall

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This pretty much. I had a study group of 6 peeps during part b.
All oversease uni. Only 2 of us are left in practice. Even then, one has left the big leagues and decided to set up shop herself - doing pretty ok, last i heard.

Thanks for sharing. What’s your PQE now?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

1 - llm dont help ur career, its not a req to become a qualified person. if u farked up ur llb with 2:2 and/or going to delisted uni, anyone who knows anything wont fall for ur kcl llm. i got friend who did kcl llm and now end up do community law in chinatown bucket shop. u think u can sian ur way into big 4 u wait long long hor.

nb if its the nus one can overseas during 4yrs llb ie to cornell or nyu just do whatever u want lah. its not like theres some secret formula of llb and llm subject combis that unlock higher salary and make ur kukubird bigger. who tf is gonna tell u here employers are looking out for columbia llm in intl tax? lawyer to be cannot make an argument and sell urself, go and study dentistry instead lah.

2 - dun be lazy sack of shyt re: part a. if u studied for ur llb like that not only is ur llb not worth the paper its printed on, ur gonna be like those goondus who retake part a several times until they realise how to pass the papers. no one is gonna tell u any magic combi or secret. why tf i wanna help someone who just gonna compete with me for rlt/tc? better u bang ur thick skull trying over and over again and eventually giving up.

tldr sinkies need u to point them, unzip, and hold their kukubirds while they pee. farking hell might as well just ask us to plan ur bloody career from start to finish for yall

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