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I need advise from the lawyers out there. My son has been tapped by Allen & Gledhill, Baker Mackenzie and Clifford Chance. Money aside (I know the foreign firms pay more), which of these would you recommend he join. I am being selfish here as he was also tapped by Allen Overy UK but I would very much prefer that he work in Singapore. I've lived and worked in London before and I am not too bullish of it post Brexit and the coming years. He will be graduating soon. Which of these 3 firms would position him for a long term legal career in Singapore. Which of these firms would springboard him within SG (for example with the foreign firm by son will not be SG qualified but UK qualified)? What are the pros and cons of each of these firms? Would he benefit more from a broad-based experience / training at the start vs specializing early on (capital markets + M&A)? The career paths for these firms are different due to their targeted clientele.

I am familiar with CC, Linklaters and Slaughters May, but not the branches in SG. I've engaged them a lot in my line of work in Mergers & Acquisition (I lead M&A teams globally).
I'm in litigation so I don't know much about corporate, but I have some minor experience in an international firm.

CC makes partners. It's a well known fact. You go to any non-White Shoe international, the partner trained at CC

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In disputes and thinking of switching to inhouse - anyone knows if taking a us llm would help? Maybe take some tech subject to switch gears a bit. Or is it just a waste of money and risky given the climate
Would advise against spending 40k just for e-learning in the current climate.

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I'm in litigation so I don't know much about corporate, but I have some minor experience in an international firm.

CC makes partners. It's a well known fact. You go to any non-White Shoe international, the partner trained at CC
Also, I highly suggest he thinks twice. If he's a junior at A&G can he take long hours? Big 4 culture is generally bad. High pressure, short timelines, bosses can be bad depending on luck of the draw, like everywhere else. A lot of lawyers leave after a year or less. More leave after 2 years.

The ones who stay are the ones who can take the lifestyle

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Also, I highly suggest he thinks twice. If he's a junior at A&G can he take long hours? Big 4 culture is generally bad. High pressure, short timelines, bosses can be bad depending on luck of the draw, like everywhere else. A lot of lawyers leave after a year or less. More leave after 2 years.

The ones who stay are the ones who can take the lifestyle
I'm not referring to any specific person or team, but the Big 4 generally. The question he has to ask is whether he can take a beating (metaphorically), and how long can he survive
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Also, I highly suggest he thinks twice. If he's a junior at A&G can he take long hours? Big 4 culture is generally bad. High pressure, short timelines, bosses can be bad depending on luck of the draw, like everywhere else. A lot of lawyers leave after a year or less. More leave after 2 years.

The ones who stay are the ones who can take the lifestyle
Can he take 9 to 3am 7 days a week for a year? 3am is an OK estimate for normal days
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I need advise from the lawyers out there. My son has been tapped by Allen & Gledhill, Baker Mackenzie and Clifford Chance. Money aside (I know the foreign firms pay more), which of these would you recommend he join. I am being selfish here as he was also tapped by Allen Overy UK but I would very much prefer that he work in Singapore. I've lived and worked in London before and I am not too bullish of it post Brexit and the coming years. He will be graduating soon. Which of these 3 firms would position him for a long term legal career in Singapore. Which of these firms would springboard him within SG (for example with the foreign firm by son will not be SG qualified but UK qualified)? What are the pros and cons of each of these firms? Would he benefit more from a broad-based experience / training at the start vs specializing early on (capital markets + M&A)? The career paths for these firms are different due to their targeted clientele.

I am familiar with CC, Linklaters and Slaughters May, but not the branches in SG. I've engaged them a lot in my line of work in Mergers & Acquisition (I lead M&A teams globally).
This is clearly a troll. First of all, what does "I lead M&A teams globally" even mean? If you're a lawyer who works in M&A, shouldn't you know yourself? Second, assuming you're on the finance or structuring side, if you are familiar with those firms you should definitely know lawyers from those firms. Wouldn't it be far better for you to seek advice from them rather than some random internet forum?

Please stop wasting everyone's time.


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Honestly how bad is DSC? Heard his team was horrible, every man for himself in D&N. Did it get better or worse in his own firm?

Also what are the general working hours for DSC?
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Risky not worth. Might not get your payoff. Get the inhouse first think LLM later. For liti you can think compliance, employment, AML etc. Liti might be good as a wave of retrenchments are coming from coys
Absolutely this. I only started my LLM several months after i joined a European firm as regional counsel. The time in-between helps you decide (1) if you see yourself staying in-house long (2) if you really need the llm (3) what kind of llm or are other certificates more worthwhile? (eg PDPA/AML related) (4) which institution (just like Singaporean bosses prefer NUS grads, European firms with European bosses prefer European LLMs).

I was also pure-liti 3+ pqe. Learnt everything corp-commercial related otj. 2 man team, 12 jurisdictions, 52 legal entities. Dunno how i survived. heh.

I started off at a really low pay with this company. I jumped after 2 years and that's when my LLM really came in handy. It opened doors for me to higher paid regional positions with mncs (I would say on par with junior partner pay at big4).


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in this current climate, are bonuses expected?
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I need advise from the lawyers out there. My son has been tapped by Allen & Gledhill, Baker Mackenzie and Clifford Chance. Money aside (I know the foreign firms pay more), which of these would you recommend he join. I am being selfish here as he was also tapped by Allen Overy UK but I would very much prefer that he work in Singapore. I've lived and worked in London before and I am not too bullish of it post Brexit and the coming years. He will be graduating soon. Which of these 3 firms would position him for a long term legal career in Singapore. Which of these firms would springboard him within SG (for example with the foreign firm by son will not be SG qualified but UK qualified)? What are the pros and cons of each of these firms? Would he benefit more from a broad-based experience / training at the start vs specializing early on (capital markets + M&A)? The career paths for these firms are different due to their targeted clientele.

I am familiar with CC, Linklaters and Slaughters May, but not the branches in SG. I've engaged them a lot in my line of work in Mergers & Acquisition (I lead M&A teams globally).
I'm almost certain CC's training in SG allows for SG/UK dual qualification. If this option is available, take it.

Good compromise between what you want and what your son wants. Also, good exit options.
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