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Old 29-05-2020, 01:29 PM
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Lmao no wonder the undergrads with 6-7% acceptance get to laugh at the LLMs. Didn't know it was easy to get into, thought you'd need a good 2.1 from a reputable university
Also for reference I never met anyone who did undergrad outside of London universities / Oxbridge in LLM, unless it's a national university. Non-red brick even rarer

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Also for reference I never met anyone who did undergrad outside of London universities / Oxbridge in LLM, unless it's a national university. Non-red brick even rarer
How come I personally know a good number that have done LLB outside of London
But have gone on to do LLM at Oxbridge?

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How come I personally know a good number that have done LLB outside of London
But have gone on to do LLM at Oxbridge?
Easier to get a First. Simple.

Oxbridge LLM only looks at firsts, you can be from University of Papa New Guinea (UPG) as long as you're one of the best there. Cam is a bit easier than BCL

First from University of Papa New Guinea gotta be easier than 2.1 from NUS and so on.

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Any retention stats from TSMP?
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I absolutely agree on your point that as community lawyers, we have a sense of fulfilment helping individuals especially when our work would hugely make an impact on the lives of our clients. My work includes family and criminal law; I have to deal with the emotions of my clients and I do enjoy the challenge that stems from that. I just fail to see the point of comparing firms who serve FTSE100 clients and firms who assist battered battered women and children. I also have to add that the white noise stemming from external recognition can be very loud sometimes.

However, as idealistic as this sounds, I hope that the legal fraternity can avoid such comparisons so as to avoid situations where someone joins a big four corporate department as opposed to community law in a smaller firm even if that is something they would prefer doing. Perhaps law school professors ought to bring this message across to law students.
Optimism is good. Don't let it be the stepping stone to jaded disappointment. Understand that what you're hoping for might never happen.

They built an entire new school to support community law - and you will still be told that "quality" at that law school is not good. White noise will always exist. It is up to you to turn out the white noise and believe that there is value in what you do.

I hope you stay in practice long enough to realize that the white noise doesn't matter... and that most of your friends in those big 4 firms will move in-house in the next 3-5 years. Several will move to smaller firms for better work-life balance. Few will become big4 partners. Some will leave law altogether.

Things get better with time.... and maturity.
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Which firms have low retention rates?
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Which firms have low retention rates?
Small and mid sized firms. I hear some also clawed back NQs


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Any retention stats from TSMP?
Heard from a recruiter (but cannot confirm) that no corp trainees were retained.
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Heard from a recruiter (but cannot confirm) that no corp trainees were retained.
Ouch that's terrible. ):
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Lmao no wonder the undergrads with 6-7% acceptance get to laugh at the LLMs. Didn't know it was easy to get into, thought you'd need a good 2.1 from a reputable university
i actually know of people who got accepted into Oxbridge but not LSE for LLB. i also have never heard of any NUS folk being rejected by LSE LLM...it's always a guaranteed for NUS because NUS is well recognised.

heard that for the US LLMs they have much lower acceptance rates for Singaporeans. for example, columbia LLM takes in maybe at most 5 Singaporeans (and mostly need work experience), penn LLM takes in 1 or 2 Singaporeans.

in any case, LLM is not useful for practice, and as long as the school sounds reputable and you take some relevant LLM courses, i'm sure it would suffice lah.
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