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Old 27-05-2020, 09:06 AM
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I graduated from a local uni. I have been studying hard, not travelling for any exchange programs, only to be trained at a mid sized firm and I have not been retained.

I know I have problems finding an associate position. Now, I envy those party goers/travel lust in law school who also studied and enjoyed themselves. I know of a lot of people who went overseas and had fun but still managed to get retained in big fours/int firms, maybe employers like them. Maybe they are got more worldly and street smart from having different experiences. I donít know.

I just feel that no matter how much I study I still canít beat those party goers/wanderlusts. Why is life unfair.
i completely empathise - life will probably be never fair. but if you keep working hard and try to inch forwards, it's better than being two steps back!

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I graduated from a local uni. I have been studying hard, not travelling for any exchange programs, only to be trained at a mid sized firm and I have not been retained.

I know I have problems finding an associate position. Now, I envy those party goers/travel lust in law school who also studied and enjoyed themselves. I know of a lot of people who went overseas and had fun but still managed to get retained in big fours/int firms, maybe employers like them. Maybe they are got more worldly and street smart from having different experiences. I donít know.

I just feel that no matter how much I study I still canít beat those party goers/wanderlusts. Why is life unfair.
Attrition rate in b4 is insane. How many people can stay. Don't bother - they just got a head start

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Old 27-05-2020, 11:12 AM
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Is training at a Formal Law Alliance good?

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Old 27-05-2020, 11:13 AM
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I'm not a senior. But here are the laws of the post-pandemic world, well, what I make of it:

1. If you're in corporate, go to litigation

2. If you're in litigation, go to litigation

3. If you're from a SME, apply to a smaller SME.

4. If you're from an international SME, but on the Singapore side / do SG work, you're still the same as (3). Working on a few matters here and there or assisting - same as (3).

5. If you're from an international SME, but do international work, apply to MBFC T1.

While the world is indeed your oyster and you are advised against a weak mindset, excuses about the economy aside, they'll still prefer that you were retained and finding a new job than otherwise. I'm sorry guys, just being practical.

This Covid sucks for everyone, and prejudices a lot of good and talented trainees. But this is my two cents. You're not screwed if you're not in a SME or international office of an international SME, slightly screwed if you're in a Singapore SME and very screwed if you're from a small SME.

The truth of the matter is that there are more candidates than there are jobs out there. Much, much more, given that retention rates amongst the mid sized have fallen, and some firms not retaining at all
Add that to the glut.

Now's the time to tap on who you know rather than what you know. Hope everyone gets out fine.

If you still have Part B though, don't worry market will get better. If you need a job this year, this is a bad time. Be realistic about your options. The firms who have retained have limited spaces. And the firms who have retained 0 have absolutely no space and may cut costs/people. It is all a numbers game, dollars and cents.
What do you mean by SME? I know it to be small medium enterprise >.<
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Old 27-05-2020, 11:28 AM
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Is training at a Formal Law Alliance good?
Imho, it is the same training as any mid sized firm unless you're talking Baker CC etc.

If a shoe is made from a Nike factory without the branding, you get the same quality as a Nike. If it is made from a Converse factory in alliance with Nike, you get Converse quality (assuming, for the sake of argument, Converse is not on par, which I don't necessarily agree with). Those are things to look out for if I'm shopping for shoes.

I can sell the shoe as a Nike, but it will always be Converse that made it.

Most FLAs' SG side do not give you improved training standards by virtue of a brand. Hours are Way Way shorter
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Imho, it is the same training as any mid sized firm unless you're talking Baker CC etc.

If a shoe is made from a Nike factory without the branding, you get the same quality as a Nike. If it is made from a Converse factory in alliance with Nike, you get Converse quality (assuming, for the sake of argument, Converse is not on par, which I don't necessarily agree with). Those are things to look out for if I'm shopping for shoes.

I can sell the shoe as a Nike, but it will always be Converse that made it.

Most FLAs' SG side do not give you improved training standards by virtue of a brand. Hours are Way Way shorter
Is it harder to secure TCs at FLAs?
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So can any seniors outline next steps for trainees who have not ben retained?
apply to MAS
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Is it harder to secure TCs at FLAs?
They are less selective. It's the trickle down effect.

Some firms also retain/select by connections
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What's the difficulty in securing TCs like for different classes of firms?

CC/Baker
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Other FLAs / JVs
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Small SLPs
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apply to MAS
MAS is looking for econs/finance/tech graduates; less interested in legally-trained people. For legal counsel work, MAS doesn't hire fresh lawyers.
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