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Old 25-09-2019, 09:44 PM
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Need some general advice from people in the circle... Currently have a NUS double degree law and business, initially thought of practicing law but was surprised that the money in business, especially finance is also quite good at 4-5k starting in banks.

Dont think i can make it to the big 4 law firms(most likely going to graduate with 2:2) and if i go the smaller law firms I wish to ask how much can one realistically make and also the kind of career progression from there?

I am comparing this with a management associate program in the banking industry if that paints a clearer picture. Thanks alot!
If you really like law, stick it out. The attrition is high and you will soon find it easy to lateral into the big firms at the mid level. You could also consider training in Hong Kong. They are very open to NUS graduates, although you would need to the one year PCLL course.

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Student in graduating class of JC please answer my Qs

1. If I go to any other lower tier school (eg USyd, QMUL, Nottingham etc) BUT get masters from a good uni, will firms still regard me lower?

2. My back up plan is to be a banker. How does practicing law compare, in terms of hours & pay? I understand both are stressful jobs, especially if I'm doing investment banking.

3. What's the best route to being financially successful as a lawyer? Go in-house? Go into legal banking (excuse my poor jargon)? Stay with the firm long enough until I become a partner?

4. ALSO I'm having trouble just keeping up with titles as I've yet to familiarise myself with some of these things. What's the ladder order? Associate, secondee, Senior Associate, Partner, Legal Director, Legal Counsel, Senior Legal Counsel...

5. What sort of firm is it best to work for? Local (probably not right?), British, American, European excluding British etc

6. What is typical starting pay

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Old 27-09-2019, 08:15 PM
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Seems like not only has NUS Law watered down its requirements for a first, its prizes are shared between so many people ...

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Student in graduating class of JC please answer my Qs

1. If I go to any other lower tier school (eg USyd, QMUL, Nottingham etc) BUT get masters from a good uni, will firms still regard me lower?

2. My back up plan is to be a banker. How does practicing law compare, in terms of hours & pay? I understand both are stressful jobs, especially if I'm doing investment banking.

3. What's the best route to being financially successful as a lawyer? Go in-house? Go into legal banking (excuse my poor jargon)? Stay with the firm long enough until I become a partner?

4. ALSO I'm having trouble just keeping up with titles as I've yet to familiarise myself with some of these things. What's the ladder order? Associate, secondee, Senior Associate, Partner, Legal Director, Legal Counsel, Senior Legal Counsel...

5. What sort of firm is it best to work for? Local (probably not right?), British, American, European excluding British etc

6. What is typical starting pay
You need to learn to crawl before trying to walk. Some of these questions are too premature for a student just graduating from JC. There's nothing wrong with dreaming big but at this stage, you need to think about practical steps as opposed to distant possibilities.

My answers:
1. Your first degree generally matters much more than a masters degree because it is your first degree (the LLB or JD) that qualifies you to become a lawyer. Unless you get into a particularly well-respected program at an elite institution, a masters degree probably isn't going to add all that much value. It's also too early to be considering whether you'll be able to get into a good LLM program - it's like asking a kid fresh out of kindegarten which JC they'd like to attend. It's just not practical to think about getting into an elite institution for a masters degree without knowing how you'll fare in your LLB.

2. If money is your main or only reason for wanting to be a lawyer, choose banking.

3. Ask this again after you've graduated. If money is the main thing that drives you, choose banking.

4. There is no standard set of titles that every firm uses. Titles may vary depending on how a law practice is set up, which country you're practicing in, and your area of specialisation.

5. Ask this again after you've graduated.

6. Starting salaries change over time. We don't know what starting salaries will be like 4 to 6 years from now. Asking about what starting salaries are now just doesn't make sense.

Dream big. But be humble and practical in your approach. Whatever your goal is, you're not going to get there by day dreaming.
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Seems like not only has NUS Law watered down its requirements for a first, its prizes are shared between so many people ...
The prizes are shared because the subjects are not taught under a common syllabus - i.e. each criminal law /company law seminar is different.
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The prizes are shared because the subjects are not taught under a common syllabus - i.e. each criminal law /company law seminar is different.

I think the OP is not from NUS. another keyboard warrior only.


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Will this guy still get pwned by womens charter even if his wife commits adultery? Will he still lose custody and pay alimony under current Singapore law? Why is the current government so anti-Singaporean male?

Man clung onto car driven by wife’s alleged lover for 28 minutes after waiting at budget hotel
s://sg.news.yahoo.com/man-clung-onto-car-driven-by-wifes-lover-for-28-minutes-after-waiting-at-budget-hotel-052208816.html
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Will this guy still get pwned by womens charter even if his wife commits adultery? Will he still lose custody and pay alimony under current Singapore law? Why is the current government so anti-Singaporean male?

Man clung onto car driven by wife’s alleged lover for 28 minutes after waiting at budget hotel
s://sg.news.yahoo.com/man-clung-onto-car-driven-by-wifes-lover-for-28-minutes-after-waiting-at-budget-hotel-052208816.html
As a budding family lawyer I think the archaic and lopsided WC has in a not insignificant way contributed to Singapore's declining birth rates and the consequential need to import FTs. A self-evident concept which our million dollars ministers have failed to grasp.
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As a budding family lawyer I think the archaic and lopsided WC has in a not insignificant way contributed to Singapore's declining birth rates and the consequential need to import FTs. A self-evident concept which our million dollars ministers have failed to grasp.
Oh budding family lawyer, do pray tell.
What "not insignficant", i.e. significant way has the WC impacted birth rates?
I presume the WC has also extended its scope to affect other developed nations?
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As a budding family lawyer I think the archaic and lopsided WC has in a not insignificant way contributed to Singapore's declining birth rates and the consequential need to import FTs. A self-evident concept which our million dollars ministers have failed to grasp.
Is this fair and equitable?
s://.todayonline.com/singapore/division-matrimonial-assets-under-womens-charter-may-be-reviewed
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