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Old 28-08-2019, 09:32 AM
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s://.bbc.com/news/education-48951653

"The higher education watchdog also examined why the proportion awarded top degrees might have risen from 16% to 29%, such as students arriving from school with better qualifications.

But the analysis found much of the increase could not be explained.

The figures showed over 40,000 more students graduated with firsts last summer than in the cohort of seven years before.

Mr Hinds said that if universities were giving many more top degrees without a legitimate reason, it was unfair on those who had studied to the same standard in previous years.


The watchdog showed the changes in students awarded first-class degrees between 2010-11 and 2017-18, including:

Imperial College London from 31% to 46%
University of Huddersfield: 15% to 40%
University College London: 24% to 40%
Durham University: 18% to 38%
University of East Anglia: 14% to 39%
University of Northumbria: 16% to 35%
University of West London: 13% to 34%
Staffordshire University: 14% to 34%

The study also looked at those awarded either first or upper-second class degrees (2:1s). These now account for the great majority of degrees.

In the University of Bristol, 92% of students are awarded either a first or 2:1 and at Cambridge 94% reach this threshold.
There is a very simple reason for this.

The metric by which UK universities accept students for undergrad courses is by assessing whether the student will be able to get a 2:1 at the end of his course. The ones who get a 2:2 are students who were assessed to be capable of getting a 2:1, but for some reason, did not. It this stands to reason that they have a higher rate of 2:1 and 1st class graduates.

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There is a very simple reason for this.

The metric by which UK universities accept students for undergrad courses is by assessing whether the student will be able to get a 2:1 at the end of his course. The ones who get a 2:2 are students who were assessed to be capable of getting a 2:1, but for some reason, did not. It this stands to reason that they have a higher rate of 2:1 and 1st class graduates.
Actually it doesn’t matter.

Overseas graduates earn more if they start off in Magic Circle / White Shoe law firms

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dreading call tmrw tbqh

earn 5k actually nbd when u divide by hours i clock. earn less than deliveroo / hr nia. also more stressful, deliveroo at most worry about langa old ppl.

inb4 if u dont want nus/kcl/ceca/2:2 will take ur job

they are quite frankly welcome to it, i see how long they can do it for. if cannot tank until senior assoc dun talk k. hard mode: dun pay doctor for anything during this time
Burn evenings, burn weekends, never get to see family. It's a dog's life - I got out early, switched careers, much happier. At least I don't dread going to work now.

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Hi all,

just wishing to gauge general expectations - if you are a 2PQE (left practice at 1PQE with 1 years worth of in-house experience), what would your expected remuneration package be like?

Assume for the above discussion that your company is able to pay.
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Hi all,

just wishing to gauge general expectations - if you are a 2PQE (left practice at 1PQE with 1 years worth of in-house experience), what would your expected remuneration package be like?

Assume for the above discussion that your company is able to pay.

avg around 6-8k


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Burn evenings, burn weekends, never get to see family. It's a dog's life - I got out early, switched careers, much happier. At least I don't dread going to work now.
what are the options for sg newly qualified?

I’m in a big 4 and hate my life daily.

wish to go to a smaller / mid size firm
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This is a UK article
s://.legalcheek.com/2017/02/law-is-the-hardest-degree-to-get-a-first-in/

Law is the hardest degree to get a first in
It is more difficult to get a first class degree in law than it is in any other subject, including medicine.

In 2015/16, just under 14% of law students graduated with first class degrees. This is ten percentage points lower than the average across all ‘non-clinical subject areas’ (24%).

By comparison, 28% of students graduating in ‘subjects allied to medicine’ got a first. For engineering and technology the figure is 33%, as it is too for computer science. More essay-based subjects such as social studies, and historical and philosophical studies boasted scores of 20% and 21% respectively. Mathematical sciences topped the table with 37% graduating with a first.
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Yeah that’s why lawyers are the smartest people around
Even a 2:2 law graduate is probably as smart as a 1st class accountancy/business graduate for instance.
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what are the options for sg newly qualified?

I’m in a big 4 and hate my life daily.

wish to go to a smaller / mid size firm
don't bother

it's either exit to an inhouse role or suck it up and maximise your earning potential
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don't bother

it's either exit to an inhouse role or suck it up and maximise your earning potential
I had a friend who moved out from NQ big 4 to a smaller firm. She much happier now.
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