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Old 11-10-2018, 09:21 AM
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Gone are the days where a first class is held in such high regard
If youíre a cum laude but you have good mentors willing to teach and nurture, you can make it to a big international after a few years.

If youíre a summa but you end up in a firm that doesnít train you well during your formative years, or get muddled with office politics by disgruntled seniors, youíre quite screwed

If you go international and end up in wrong team, also pretty screwed

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Gone are the days where a first class is held in such high regard
We have to thank Kingís college for the devaluation of a first class law degree

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We have to thank Kingís college for the devaluation of a first class law degree
What to do. A Ferrari is a Ferrari because it is limited in supply
If 40% get first, itís no longer exclusive.
It becomes mass produced. Like Toyota.

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Gone are the days where a first class is held in such high regard
If youíre a cum laude but you have good mentors willing to teach and nurture, you can make it to a big international after a few years.

If youíre a summa but you end up in a firm that doesnít train you well during your formative years, or get muddled with office politics by disgruntled seniors, youíre quite screwed

If you go international and end up in wrong team, also pretty screwed
But what posters are saying is that these cum laude entered cc right after law school, not after getting good training and work experience at another firm
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But what posters are saying is that these cum laude entered cc right after law school, not after getting good training and work experience at another firm
Anyway ppl who didnít go the traditional A level route, getting 7-8 As for A Levels - e.g. those who did the diploma in law at Temasek Poly, or those who messed up A Levels and had to do a foundation in Australia, or those who bailed out of the system early on by going to a UK boarding school after secondary 2 - most end up as lawyers still.
Seen some profile on LinkedIn - they are in international law firms, etc.
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s://law.nus.edu.sg/about_us/news/2016/ComparisonTable-ClassofHonours.pdf


King's College London LLB Degree Classification Statistics - a ...
s://.whatdotheyknow.com/request/kings_college_london_llb_degree
Aug 13, 2016 - King's College London LLB Degree Classification Statistics ... straight Law (LLB) students graduating with first-class honours and upper second-class honours ... kcl - legal-compliance, King's College London 15 August 2016.


Row Labels
Sum of Number
Sum of Percentage
2013/14


First Class
12
9.16%
Upper Second Class
103
78.63%
2014/15


First Class
10
11.36%
Upper Second Class
69
78.41%
2015/16


First Class
≤5
Withheld
Upper Second Class
13
Withheld


KCL 1st class honours statistics


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Anyway ppl who didnít go the traditional A level route, getting 7-8 As for A Levels - e.g. those who did the diploma in law at Temasek Poly, or those who messed up A Levels and had to do a foundation in Australia, or those who bailed out of the system early on by going to a UK boarding school after secondary 2 - most end up as lawyers still.
Seen some profile on LinkedIn - they are in international law firms, etc.
so whats the moral of the story? its about other factors in a whole spectrum of factors. grades/academic ability are just one factor out of many.

i would argue that A levels test only a very specific type of academic ability: how to retain a large amount of info for a short time. in other words, test taking ability. some people are just better test takers than others.

personally i thought A levels was pretty easy, didn't push myself pretty hard, wasn't a full AAAA for all H2 subjects (could've done better) and managed to get into NUS law. but im under no illusions that im 100% smarter than those who scored worse than me.

intelligence is something that takes into account a variety of things. there's an intelligence gulf between some really smart ppl and others. you will see it in practice, e.g. in the way some of your colleagues will grasp complicated concepts/cases/facts in 5 minutes when you will take 1 hour to sort-of get it. these are the people that will rise to the top of the legal profession, if they have the passion to remain in it.

and we have not even gotten to the non-intelligence factors, such as connections, charisma, interview skills, sociability and networking skills, sucking-up skills, attractiveness, sleeping-with-boss-to-get ahead skills. all these things play into an individual's career trajectory
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Hi, anyone can shed light on an associate's pay at Lee & Lee? And how's the working hours like?
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Hello all, just wanted to check: what is the NQ pay for lawyers at Baker Mc Wong & Leow? I saw a number of conflicting figures in the earlier responses from 2016 (6k, 7.5k, 9k, 15k), and was wondering if anyone has more up to date information. Thanks!
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Hello all, just wanted to check: what is the NQ pay for lawyers at Baker Mc Wong & Leow? I saw a number of conflicting figures in the earlier responses from 2016 (6k, 7.5k, 9k, 15k), and was wondering if anyone has more up to date information. Thanks!
NQs are on the US190k Cravath scale
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