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Old 20-01-2025, 11:07 AM
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Try to join a band 3 practioner's team at least. So that it's easier to jump to the better teams after your TC. Just had a look at the rankings again and there are quite a few good options in the band 3/4 range as well.

Exit opportunities depends on the strength of your firm/team and your own capabilities. My seniors found it fairly easy to transition to in-house, so I don't think you will have any issues there. Shipping practice can give you wide exposure (if you are in a strong team with a lot of work coming your team's way) as you will be exposed to many other pratice areas as well, so transiting into gen lit/arbi won't be an issue either. There are a few good international firms for shipping too, so that is an extra option also after 1-3PQE.

But if you are only able to get a TC under a band 4 practitioner, don't be disheartened. Just go and then try to jump after your TC. You will be able to have a very strong career in shipping if you join any of the 3 firms that I mentioned. Can add PDLegal to the mix too.

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Old 21-01-2025, 11:37 PM
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Does anyone have any information about the JLC-designate training that is held from Sep-Dec? Understand that it is held concurrently with the Part B course - what are the working hours like, workload, and renumeration of the JLC-designate programme? Thanks in advance Any other general advice/comments about the JLC programme welcome too.

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Updated AGC DPP pay?

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Very niche practice area but imo you absolutely need to work under a partner who is at least band 2 ranked in Chambers. Because specialising is a pretty big gamble and if you do specialise, you dam well make sure you're super good at it. So learning under the best in that particular sector is quite important. If you get such an opportunity, by all means do shipping. Working under a strong shipping partner gives you more exposure to "interesting" cases too. If not shipping might get boring real quick.

O&B is very good. High pay awaits those who survive and WLB/Culture is much better than the top b4 firm for shipping litigation.

Helmsmann need FCH/JLC... but Ian is a v solid shipping litigator. Pays well too.

JTJB is aite. Excellent culture though. They'll train you very well. Pay is low.

Helmsman only takes FCH or JLC? Seriously?
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wa drew lost another SC
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wa drew lost another SC
They got blossom. One for one swap.

But for seasoned litigators, it seems like the allure of sticking with large firms is losing is lustre. Probably too much politicking, deadweight and administrative costs/burdens.

This merely follows a familiar trend of seasoned litigators spinning out from big firms to their own usually conflict-free boutiques where they are more nimble, agile and with lower overheads.

Sticking with big firms are best for 'farmer' type litigators who service long-standing panel relationships. These are middle of the pack or above-average lawyers who are a safe pair of hands and good client servicing skills. But not too spectacular.

Most SCs are or have to be eat-what-you-kill types so a small platform where they have full control of their book of business makes sense.


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Is it worth to try and do training contract under a SC?
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Is it worth to try and do training contract under a SC?
generally yes but not all SCs are equal. some SCs have less active practices than non-SC litigators. for reasons such as e.g. near retirement or coasting along with 1 or 2 cases per year, or resting on their laurels and letting the more junior underlings do most of the work or client sourcing.

every team should be scoped out and assessed on their own merits.
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Anyone got any new info on how much firms are paying? Any updates from today's law fair
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Any updates on the following:

a&g: 3.5k/5k
drew: 3.5k/5k
dsc: 3k/5k
setia: 3k/7k
r&t: 4.2k + january 600 dollar allowance
baker: 4k/6k
oon & bazul: 3k/5k
dentons: ?
tkqp: 3.5k/5k
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