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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is there anything we can do about this situation? I saw on telegram that there was an open letter circulating. Fundementally, I have a message for the higher ups: If you really want to know why people quit law or dont want to become lawyers, this is the prime example of why. By telling us in the middle of the Part B exams that we need to find 1k to pay for an advocacy course asap or our call will be delayed, it only just shows contempt for us. Instead of studying, we have to go find out how to fund this workshop.

This is on top of having to learn 20+ subjects for Part B, with topics ranging from Muslim Family law to Law and Tech.

You can:

a) mail them directly: [email protected] ;
b) reach out to the council: s://.lawsociety.org.sg/the-law-society/council/ ; and
c) feedback to SILE: s://silecpdcentre.sg/contact/

They need to know that the rollout is problematic.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is there anything we can do about this situation? I saw on telegram that there was an open letter circulating. Fundementally, I have a message for the higher ups: If you really want to know why people quit law or dont want to become lawyers, this is the prime example of why. By telling us in the middle of the Part B exams that we need to find 1k to pay for an advocacy course asap or our call will be delayed, it only just shows contempt for us. Instead of studying, we have to go find out how to fund this workshop.

This is on top of having to learn 20+ subjects for Part B, with topics ranging from Muslim Family law to Law and Tech.

Also, as a side note, attempting to teach "Comparative Law" as basically drips and drabs of Thai and Indonesian contract and evidence law is mind-boggling. Not even a clear delineable scope to work with.

Additionally, how are they even going to test Law & Tech, which is basically legal philosophy and blockchain/machine learning principles.

Don't even get me started on how we're expected to be familiar with competition, employment, shipping and tax principles- all of which were not included in the original part B. Data protection and cybersecurity is also a mammothial subject, of which even lawyers themselves are not expected to be familiar with the entirety of. And they want to teach conflict of laws, a notoriously difficult subject in law school.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You can:

a) mail them directly: [email protected] ;
b) reach out to the council: s://.lawsociety.org.sg/the-law-society/council/ ; and
c) feedback to SILE: s://silecpdcentre.sg/contact/

They need to know that the rollout is problematic.

No one's going to feedback because everyone knows that SILE and LawSoc can both object to applications for admission to the Bar so they can do whatever they want :-)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

No one's going to feedback because everyone knows that SILE and LawSoc can both object to applications for admission to the Bar so they can do whatever they want :-)

Just do it anonymously it’s not that hard if that’s your fear. I’ll love to see LawSoc & SILE actually try to deny an application on the basis of the applicant making justified feedback on their missteps.

Since SILE has specified that any feedback should be submitted to them, here are the emails I've found. Please feel free to send in feedback to them (in a civil tone). I think it's good for us to voice out our concerns directly to them so they can hopefully remove these workshops and provide clarification as to what they are doing with the $3 million annually. Or at the very least, waive the costs and not mandate us to attend the workshops on Saturdays.


[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Since SILE has specified that any feedback should be submitted to them, here are the emails I've found. Please feel free to send in feedback to them (in a civil tone). I think it's good for us to voice out our concerns directly to them so they can hopefully remove these workshops and provide clarification as to what they are doing with the $3 million annually. Or at the very least, waive the costs and not mandate us to attend the workshops on Saturdays.


[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]

Advocacy course is run by lawsoc, not SILE

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Advocacy course is run by lawsoc, not SILE

Likely that the upcoming Ethics course will be run by them too. And God knows whatever additional courses they want to throw at us

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Advocacy course is run by lawsoc, not SILE

Yes, but I believe SILE is the one with overall authority for the admissions process. They just delegated or where told to delegate the courses under rule 34(b) to lawsoc.

I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. We all went through the same courses as you are required to. You will attend the other two courses once you start your Practice Training, just like all of us who took Part B before you (it costs around $300–$600 for both courses, if I recall correctly). Sure you can complain that this year's Part B is harder, as far as I am know, none of the 2024 NQs in my firm failed Part B the first time round as compared to yesteryears under the old syllabus.

On the issue of fees, contrary to what some people are claiming, the $1,000 advocacy course is not a money grab. Didn’t it occur to you that the Part B course fees were $1,000 cheaper this year? The fees for these courses will be reimbursed by your respective firms once you finish your TC , if not, you should be querying why are you with a firm that does not do so in the first place.


Sure, you could argue that this isn’t the ideal time to spring such a surprise, especially during a high-stress period. But guess what? This kind of thing happens all the time once you’re in practice. Are you guys going to raise your pitchforks baying for your partners and clients' blood every time a spanner is thrown in the works?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also, as a side note, attempting to teach "Comparative Law" as basically drips and drabs of Thai and Indonesian contract and evidence law is mind-boggling. Not even a clear delineable scope to work with.

Additionally, how are they even going to test Law & Tech, which is basically legal philosophy and blockchain/machine learning principles.

Don't even get me started on how we're expected to be familiar with competition, employment, shipping and tax principles- all of which were not included in the original part B. Data protection and cybersecurity is also a mammothial subject, of which even lawyers themselves are not expected to be familiar with the entirety of. And they want to teach conflict of laws, a notoriously difficult subject in law school.

You made the mistake of going into law school at such a bad timing. The heydays are already over many years ago.

I assume you probably entered law school in 2019 gauging from the timing of your Part B exams. You would have heard numerous warnings about the legal industry and yet you chose to enter.

You might also have heard that the part B exam will be revamped but yet you took the risk to enter.

So you have only yourself to blame. No one else.