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Originally Posted by Unregistered

If dregs of society like you can still scrape by in law (if you're even a lawyer), I don't think the asker will have a problem surviving and thriving past their first month in training.

buddy, the legal industry fêtes and celebrates amoral, mercenary brownnosers and social climbers.

idealism is good and all but who's paying the bills for our posh AAA office space at MBFC? Certainly not WakeupSG or Kokila's gang at TJC.

Your first day working ah. Or u haven't finished law sch yet?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

buddy, the legal industry fêtes and celebrates amoral, mercenary brownnosers and social climbers.

idealism is good and all but who's paying the bills for our posh AAA office space at MBFC? Certainly not WakeupSG or Kokila's gang at TJC.

Your first day working ah. Or u haven't finished law sch yet?

"buddy", any sophist can make sweeping cynical statements about legal industry, warts and all. but just because it sounds grand, it doesn't mean that the statement is profound, or that it is worth the pixels it's displayed on.

the prospective trainee who asked the question has already gotten his/her foot in the door by finishing law school and securing a tc. if they really came from a lower middle class family, they still somehow managed to make it work and secure funding through a bursary, scholarship, taking a loan, or working while studying.

they came here to ask about dealing with his financial situation in the *first month* of TC. fortunately, at least there's one guy helpful enough to give practical, actionable suggestions - which is what the trainee NEEDS. present tense, because he's already in the situation.

but no, because sinkie nvr pwn sinkie cannot sleep, let's punch down while we can, right? just peer down at them, dismiss them, and say "don't be poor, keep out of the legal industry if you're lower middle class". LOL. is this something you would tell your clients who come to take advice from you? to just roll over, show your belly, and die at the first sign of resistance as though it is already a lost cause?

nobody's questioning the "harsh truths" about the legal industry being a small industry, or that networking and connections are important. that much is already obvious who does their research, and neither is it surprising that there will be those who do climb the ladder by being sycophants and backstabbers. things like these happen everywhere, and the legal industry isn't special in that regard. it should also already be obvious that if someone doesn't already have those connections to begin with, they need to be prepared to deal with the bad hand, and put in the extra work to start from scratch, network, make sure they're known. it will be very difficult, and no one is owed any success, but are you seriously going to suggest that they should therefore just quit and not try anything at all?

it is another thing entirely to go out of your way to punch down on them and be a naysayer for it's own sake in the name of conveying these "hard truths". that's not even something that could be masked as teaching; that's just being a bully while talking out of the side of your mouth; it reflects poorly on you and puts you in the same class as those amoral types you sneer at. we can all agree that those "hard truths" are problematic, but that's an entirely separate issue altogether.

you don't have to be a jerk to be a realist. it isn't a dichotomy between being a cynic/"pragmatic" person who's seen all, and a wide-eyed idealist who knows nothing of the world. invoking some oppie names and lumping those ideas together in attempt to discredit them doesn't add any cogency to your point.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"buddy", any sophist can make sweeping cynical statements about legal industry, warts and all. but just because it sounds grand, it doesn't mean that the statement is profound, or that it is worth the pixels it's displayed on.

the prospective trainee who asked the question has already gotten his/her foot in the door by finishing law school and securing a tc. if they really came from a lower middle class family, they still somehow managed to make it work and secure funding through a bursary, scholarship, taking a loan, or working while studying.

they came here to ask about dealing with his financial situation in the *first month* of TC. fortunately, at least there's one guy helpful enough to give practical, actionable suggestions - which is what the trainee NEEDS. present tense, because he's already in the situation.

but no, because sinkie nvr pwn sinkie cannot sleep, let's punch down while we can, right? just peer down at them, dismiss them, and say "don't be poor, keep out of the legal industry if you're lower middle class". LOL. is this something you would tell your clients who come to take advice from you? to just roll over, show your belly, and die at the first sign of resistance as though it is already a lost cause?

nobody's questioning the "harsh truths" about the legal industry being a small industry, or that networking and connections are important. that much is already obvious who does their research, and neither is it surprising that there will be those who do climb the ladder by being sycophants and backstabbers. things like these happen everywhere, and the legal industry isn't special in that regard. it should also already be obvious that if someone doesn't already have those connections to begin with, they need to be prepared to deal with the bad hand, and put in the extra work to start from scratch, network, make sure they're known. it will be very difficult, and no one is owed any success, but are you seriously going to suggest that they should therefore just quit and not try anything at all?

it is another thing entirely to go out of your way to punch down on them and be a naysayer for it's own sake in the name of conveying these "hard truths". that's not even something that could be masked as teaching; that's just being a bully while talking out of the side of your mouth; it reflects poorly on you and puts you in the same class as those amoral types you sneer at. we can all agree that those "hard truths" are problematic, but that's an entirely separate issue altogether.

you don't have to be a jerk to be a realist. it isn't a dichotomy between being a cynic/"pragmatic" person who's seen all, and a wide-eyed idealist who knows nothing of the world. invoking some oppie names and lumping those ideas together in attempt to discredit them doesn't add any cogency to your point.

Some in this thread are trolls. For the lawyers out there who actually behave like this, their reputation follows them.

Neither are worth the time or energy spent scolding them. Just learn from their negative examples and set your own standards higher.

In a very strong practice, in a very strong firm

But assoc, 1 Pqe higher than me keeps scolding, how do ppl deal with this?

Partners are nice, and I’m hoping to have longevity here

Other assocs are fine too

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In a very strong practice, in a very strong firm

But assoc, 1 Pqe higher than me keeps scolding, how do ppl deal with this?

Partners are nice, and I’m hoping to have longevity here

Other assocs are fine too

Tough Luck lor. If you really want to stay must be thickskin a bit till you figure out how to avoid the scoldings and get on their good side or they themselves leave. Longevity is a lot about politics so bopian. What I did was take on a lot of work (overwork myself like siao) from the assocs that I liked so I don't have to deal with the "horrible" one in my team - win-win for me cause my billables remain high and I don't have to deal with that idiot also. In my team for 3.5 years now and that idiot is ontw out ))

But from what I have seen these kind of people generally see you as a threat to their own position. If it gets too much just leave and join an international firm if you can (since your team is so stronk). Having a horrible immediate superior just makes our hard job that much more unbearable.

any practitioners' thoughts on PSC law scholarship? should my son try for the scholarship or just go to law school and try to make it to an international firm / start from a big4 outfit.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

any practitioners' thoughts on PSC law scholarship? should my son try for the scholarship or just go to law school and try to make it to an international firm / start from a big4 outfit.

Typical kiasu singaporean. Asking about something when it has not even materialised. You can apply but are you sure your son can get it? The competition for PSC is intense.

PSC scholarship is a good track to litigation. Many deputy prosecutors are products of PSC. The idea is to slog it out as a DPP for some time and join a top litigation private outfit eventually

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Typical kiasu singaporean. Asking about something when it has not even materialised. You can apply but are you sure your son can get it? The competition for PSC is intense.

PSC scholarship is a good track to litigation. Many deputy prosecutors are products of PSC. The idea is to slog it out as a DPP for some time and join a top litigation private outfit eventually

my son has oxbridge and local law school offers, so i am just looking out for his options - please understand

Originally Posted by Unregistered

my son has oxbridge and local law school offers, so i am just looking out for his options - please understand

Currently, UK is having some racial and religious tensions.

It may not be safe as riots have started simultaneously in several cities.

Local uni may be the safer but less prestigious option.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

my son has oxbridge and local law school offers, so i am just looking out for his options - please understand

There's no harm in applying, especially if you think your son has a chance of getting it. Talk to him about it, see if he is willing to commit to the bond, and also where he wants to practice in the future.

All the best to your son.