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Old 12-11-2017, 01:43 AM
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No point because I sleep very little every day.
my hair dropped, blood pressure went up, relation with my wife and parents also getting worse on brink of breakup. moody easily frustrated.
No time to enjoy do things I want. After work its dark, and I am forced to socialised too by drinking and meals
It is not just leaving at 5pm or 6pm or 7pm or 8pm. it is that I have to carry the work in my mind even I am home. I have to constantly check my phone calls messages from bosses clients.
All the above, for a merge $4000-$6000 per month.

Not worth at all.


I am now working in-hourse just doing contract reviews.
I get paid more and goes home on time.
My only regret is that I didn't leave practice earlier.

Some professions are what I call "prestige jobs": jobs that are quite attractive to young people for the perceived pay & glamour factor but few actually stay on in the long term due to various reasons, usually relating to sustainability.

An air stewarding is one such job. Why do you think so many young women want to become air stewardesses but there so few senior air stewardesses? Law to a certain extent, and investment banking are also such examples/

Some careers also only make sense if you're young, unmarried and don't mind pulling all-nighters for weeks on end for that nice bit of cash. Your priorities will naturally change once you get married and want to settle down.

I suppose for your stage of life, more sane working hours are more important. And the salary probably isn't commensurate with the toll personal aspects of your life. However, a big 4 role does make sense for a 23 or 25-ish fresh graduate with no family commitments, still living with parents and think that socialising with drinking is the hallmark of the yuppie life.

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Is law a respected profession?
I donít want to get mental issues when I enter law school

I heard singapore law schools are pretty stressful
And only a handful can get first class

Should I enter overseas law schools instead?

I am quite fearful of stressing out and will breakdown easily
but I need reassurance of being a profession so that others can look up to me

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Is law a respected profession?
I donít want to get mental issues when I enter law school

I heard singapore law schools are pretty stressful
And only a handful can get first class

Should I enter overseas law schools instead?

I am quite fearful of stressing out and will breakdown easily
but I need reassurance of being a profession so that others can look up to me
Is law a respected profession?

- Law is a prestigious and well respected profession in Singapore, alongside with doctors.

I donít want to get mental issues when I enter law school.

- Then reconsider law school, not everyone can take the stress and workload of law schools, particularly NUS/SMU.

I heard singapore law schools are pretty stressful

- They definitely are.

And only a handful can get first class

- Yes, there is a limit to how many students can attain first class, 2.1, 2.2.

Should I enter overseas law schools instead?

- Depends on which law school? Due to the glut now, many law graduates from overseas are having difficulties securing a training contract.

I am quite fearful of stressing out and will breakdown easily
but I need reassurance of being a profession so that others can look up to me

- I'm sorry to say that law is probably not for you, because of the tremendous amount of stress. A profession that others can look up to you? I will certainly respect you if you are a social worker or teacher.

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Is law a respected profession?

- Law is a prestigious and well respected profession in Singapore, alongside with doctors.

I donít want to get mental issues when I enter law school.

- Then reconsider law school, not everyone can take the stress and workload of law schools, particularly NUS/SMU.

I heard singapore law schools are pretty stressful

- They definitely are.

And only a handful can get first class

- Yes, there is a limit to how many students can attain first class, 2.1, 2.2.

Should I enter overseas law schools instead?

- Depends on which law school? Due to the glut now, many law graduates from overseas are having difficulties securing a training contract.

I am quite fearful of stressing out and will breakdown easily
but I need reassurance of being a profession so that others can look up to me

- I'm sorry to say that law is probably not for you, because of the tremendous amount of stress. A profession that others can look up to you? I will certainly respect you if you are a social worker or teacher.
Very informative replies. For more details, see s://abovethelaw.com/2017/08/should-lawyers-have-mental-health-and-financial-examinations/
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If it is so prestigious, why are law firms not paying their trainees for their Part B and training period? Even $2000 is pathetic compared to UK and HK trainees.

why is the glut issue not solved after 5 years?

why is the salary so low compared to doctors and overseas lawyers say in USA and HK and UK

why is the working hours in singapore practice so long?

why are there so many people facing stress and mental breakdown?

and what you call these issues for the prestigious industry?
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If it is so prestigious, why are law firms not paying their trainees for their Part B and training period? Even $2000 is pathetic compared to UK and HK trainees.

why is the glut issue not solved after 5 years?

why is the salary so low compared to doctors and overseas lawyers say in USA and HK and UK

why is the working hours in singapore practice so long?

why are there so many people facing stress and mental breakdown?

and what you call these issues for the prestigious industry?
Legal services is a tertiary sector industry.

The issues regarding salary that you raised are all a function of how developed the Singapore financial market is compared to HK, London or NY.

For e.g., what was the total volume of IPOs and funds raised in HK for 2016? Then compare it with SGX for 2016. Singapore doesn't hold a candle. Of course they can't pay lawyers US or HK rates here.

The issues regarding mental health is common in the legal sector world wide.
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Legal services is a tertiary sector industry.

The issues regarding salary that you raised are all a function of how developed the Singapore financial market is compared to HK, London or NY.

For e.g., what was the total volume of IPOs and funds raised in HK for 2016? Then compare it with SGX for 2016. Singapore doesn't hold a candle. Of course they can't pay lawyers US or HK rates here.

The issues regarding mental health is common in the legal sector world wide.
Based on your logic, investment bankers and sales & traders should be getting depressed wages as well. They too fall into the tertiary services industry and face the same environmental constraints that you mentioned.

So why is it that they are earning New York benchmarked salaries (85k USD equivalent == 120k SGD, roughly 10k SGD per month base) in the lacklustre Asian market? What is the structural differential between banking and law that is prevalent here?
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If it is so prestigious, why are law firms not paying their trainees for their Part B and training period? Even $2000 is pathetic compared to UK and HK trainees.

why is the glut issue not solved after 5 years?
> There is no need to resolved it, there is always a high supply of lawyers. There are many people who perceived lawyers as prestigious. In the past, yes. If you are a partner in a magic circle law firm, yes. If you have only a law degree, nobody give a $hit.

why is the salary so low compared to doctors and overseas lawyers say in USA and HK and UK
> The supply is high, so there is no need to pay well. All law partners are interested in bottomline and if they can squeeze as much from you as possible, they will do it.

why is the working hours in singapore practice so long?
> In Singapore, there is a high expectation on responsiveness. All partners expects their junior to response, to response fast and immediately. Partners want to book as many clients as possible, while keeping a low bottomline. Hence, they are often overbooked and are loading the work on the same number of people.

why are there so many people facing stress and mental breakdown?
> This is because many people are unrealistic and not strong enough to simply walk away or say no. Too many people see it as a failure walk away or say no, hence, they just load up the stress on themselves until they can't take it anymore.

and what you call these issues for the prestigious industry?
The tricky part about lawyers are, you will eventually hit a plateau unless you are a partner or head of legal. And realistic looking, how many people in a batch is going to make it to partner level or head of legal? By the time you hit your 40s/50s, if you have not earn enough to start your own business, you will be at risk of being retrenched or replaced by younger lawyers who are more willing to work longer hours. This is one of the reasons why most lawyers decided to switch fields in their 30s/40s or even start their own business.
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Based on your logic, investment bankers and sales & traders should be getting depressed wages as well. They too fall into the tertiary services industry and face the same environmental constraints that you mentioned.

So why is it that they are earning New York benchmarked salaries (85k USD equivalent == 120k SGD, roughly 10k SGD per month base) in the lacklustre Asian market? What is the structural differential between banking and law that is prevalent here?
Fee structure duh. I thought the answer would've been blindingly obvious.

IB charges fees on a combination of retainer and success fees, normally expressed as a % of the deal value.

Lawyers overwhelmingly charge on the billable hour. There's only so much you can bill because there's only so many hours you can work in a day.

You're comparing apples and oranges.
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what is salary for baker / clifford chance vs big local firms?
and working hours?
I wondering which to apply to
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