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Old 22-07-2022, 10:21 AM
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If u go to AGC you will always be subordinate to the scholars and JLCs, even if you are brighter, more productive and win more cases. They will be promoted to dept heads while you continue to get shitty work and grind the rest of your life away.
tbh is there a similar tension in big4 private practice?

you have the divide between the white horses associates (i.e. son/daughter of a rich man conglomerate, who can potentially bring business in for the firm) vs the grinder nobody who does the midnight shift/saikang

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Old 22-07-2022, 04:50 PM
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progleis Herbert smith freehills
The managing partner looks like a Chinese Santa Klaus.

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tbh is there a similar tension in big4 private practice?

you have the divide between the white horses associates (i.e. son/daughter of a rich man conglomerate, who can potentially bring business in for the firm) vs the grinder nobody who does the midnight shift/saikang
You forgot to add that many of these sons/daughters of rich conglomerates tend to be from UK universities where they can afford to party like no tomorrow everyday and achieve a 2:2, yet they are guaranteed employment in the Big 4, boss the partners around and end work at 5pm.

While other assocs who achieve much stellar grades in local universities end up grinding behind the scenes till dawn while getting zero recognition and always at the receiving end of verbal abuse.

Life can be cruel, especially to those who didn't strike the financial lottery when they are born. That's why I never understood why local grads care so much about grades and flex on UK grads, when all that matters is your family status.

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You forgot to add that many of these sons/daughters of rich conglomerates tend to be from UK universities where they can afford to party like no tomorrow everyday and achieve a 2:2, yet they are guaranteed employment in the Big 4, boss the partners around and end work at 5pm.

While other assocs who achieve much stellar grades in local universities end up grinding behind the scenes till dawn while getting zero recognition and always at the receiving end of verbal abuse.

Life can be cruel, especially to those who didn't strike the financial lottery when they are born. That's why I never understood why local grads care so much about grades and flex on UK grads, when all that matters is your family status.
bruh this is maybe like one in 10000 law students lmao suck up your bitterness and stop trying to blame your lack of achievement on the fact that werent born with a silver spoon in your mouth
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You forgot to add that many of these sons/daughters of rich conglomerates tend to be from UK universities where they can afford to party like no tomorrow everyday and achieve a 2:2, yet they are guaranteed employment in the Big 4, boss the partners around and end work at 5pm.

While other assocs who achieve much stellar grades in local universities end up grinding behind the scenes till dawn while getting zero recognition and always at the receiving end of verbal abuse.

Life can be cruel, especially to those who didn't strike the financial lottery when they are born. That's why I never understood why local grads care so much about grades and flex on UK grads, when all that matters is your family status.
That is very true, but for those of us born without family background, we can only try to enter the bigger firms the hard way ma. Like if you don't have express ticket at USS, you still want to be ahead in the normal queue ma.
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That is very true, but for those of us born without family background, we can only try to enter the bigger firms the hard way ma. Like if you don't have express ticket at USS, you still want to be ahead in the normal queue ma.
Not the person you quoted, but there will be a time when you will ask yourself, is the grind worth it? The pitfall of being a LA in B4 is that you will never have the time to build your own book. Even if you move to another firm, you will still be subordinate to someone because you don't even have billables to begin with. Not many firms are willing to employ salaried partners, naturally they will prefer partners who can bring in businesses.
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You forgot to add that many of these sons/daughters of rich conglomerates tend to be from UK universities where they can afford to party like no tomorrow everyday and achieve a 2:2, yet they are guaranteed employment in the Big 4, boss the partners around and end work at 5pm.

While other assocs who achieve much stellar grades in local universities end up grinding behind the scenes till dawn while getting zero recognition and always at the receiving end of verbal abuse.

Life can be cruel, especially to those who didn't strike the financial lottery when they are born. That's why I never understood why local grads care so much about grades and flex on UK grads, when all that matters is your family status.
This is some horseshit lmao. Iíve done my time in a big4 m&a practice and I have seen white horses get fired and asked to leave because theyíre absolutely shite at their work. Ultimately law is a business - if the associate cannot pull his / her weight, itís only a matter of time before it stops making business sense to keep someone like that around the office. Practice is the great equaliser because an SPA / SHA doesnít give two ****s about family background.

I honestly donít get the debate about local v overseas grads. No one cares after a few years in practice. The fact that people here talk so much about this just shows the demographic and insecurity of the commenters here. Probably largely comprising undergrads, trainees or NQs.
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This is some horseshit lmao. Iíve done my time in a big4 m&a practice and I have seen white horses get fired and asked to leave because theyíre absolutely shite at their work. Ultimately law is a business - if the associate cannot pull his / her weight, itís only a matter of time before it stops making business sense to keep someone like that around the office. Practice is the great equaliser because an SPA / SHA doesnít give two ****s about family background.

I honestly donít get the debate about local v overseas grads. No one cares after a few years in practice. The fact that people here talk so much about this just shows the demographic and insecurity of the commenters here. Probably largely comprising undergrads, trainees or NQs.
What about AGC? What is the equalizer? Are non elites forever disadvantaged?
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What about AGC? What is the equalizer? Are non elites forever disadvantaged?
Is called CEP lor. Low CEP = gg
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This is some horseshit lmao. Iíve done my time in a big4 m&a practice and I have seen white horses get fired and asked to leave because theyíre absolutely shite at their work. Ultimately law is a business - if the associate cannot pull his / her weight, itís only a matter of time before it stops making business sense to keep someone like that around the office. Practice is the great equaliser because an SPA / SHA doesnít give two ****s about family background.

I honestly donít get the debate about local v overseas grads. No one cares after a few years in practice. The fact that people here talk so much about this just shows the demographic and insecurity of the commenters here. Probably largely comprising undergrads, trainees or NQs.
I second this. Likewise did my time in B4 M&A and, while white horses were not uncommon, I too have witnessed them being 'asked to leave' for performance / attitude reasons. At least one of the B4 has a policy whereby if you get a TC through connections, you cannot be retained upon qualification. Nepotism is becoming quite rare.

I have respect for ppl who make it to (equity) partner at B4; I really believe it's down to merit / your actual capabilities.
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