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Old 23-06-2022, 01:44 AM
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What;s the best route to take if I want to join international commercial disputes / PCA / ICSID type disputes work?

What sort of post LLB qualifications should I have? Need to learn french? Would a stint in one of the intl commercial organisations like ICC or UNIDROIT help?
Easiest route to take is to join a B4 liti/arbi team and then lateral to the arbitration teams of one of the international firms. Do note that lots of teams do international commercial disputes in SG, but investor-state arbitration is less common in Asia and usually done out of the DC/European offices.

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Easiest route to take is to join a B4 liti/arbi team and then lateral to the arbitration teams of one of the international firms. Do note that lots of teams do international commercial disputes in SG, but investor-state arbitration is less common in Asia and usually done out of the DC/European offices.
Seems to me that very very few of the international firms in SG have arbitration teams, correct? Why so rare

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Seems to me that very very few of the international firms in SG have arbitration teams, correct? Why so rare
Because most disputes dont go to arbitration. Nobody wants to spend millions on legal fees.

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Because most disputes dont go to arbitration. Nobody wants to spend millions on legal fees.
Is everyone commenting here just a y1 law student talking out their ass?

Arbitration work is extremely lucrative and is growing at a rapid pace globally. s://globalarbitrationreview.com/review/the-asia-pacific-arbitration-review/2022/article/the-rise-of-arbitration-in-the-asia-pacific

The reason why the international firms here dont have "SG arbitration teams" is because there's no need for it. Arbitration is not jurisdiction specific and the top arbitration teams can practise out of London or NY to anywhere they want. What is also becoming more common is that a client will hire a top international arbitration firm which will prepare the case strategy and do the thinking, but to save on costs they instruct a local firm to run the arbitration itself - conceptually like the SG system where one firm does the research and briefs but instructs a SC from another firm for the hearing, except the costs savings works the other way around.
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Old 23-06-2022, 11:12 AM
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Anyone know the NQ for pinsent masons mpillay? Heard it's more integrated than other JLVs - last I saw they posted on mycareersfuture offering 14k for 3PQE.
Lol nah, that's for the Pinsent side.. the Mpillay side doesn't pay that.
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Seems to me that very very few of the international firms in SG have arbitration teams, correct? Why so rare
There are a few US firms which have arbitration teams in SG.

Sidley, Shearman, King Spalding, Etc.


But they dont hire much from our big4 disputes department. They usually get NY/E&W qualified assocs
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There are a few US firms which have arbitration teams in SG.

Sidley, Shearman, King Spalding, Etc.


But they dont hire much from our big4 disputes department. They usually get NY/E&W qualified assocs
Big4 liti depts are for intl firm rejects. Word.
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Seems to me that very very few of the international firms in SG have arbitration teams, correct? Why so rare
It's not rare at all. Just off the top of my head:

US: Dechert, JD, HL, K&S, Sidley, Shearman, W&C
MC: A&O, CC, LL, Freshfields
SC: Ashurst, HSF, NRF

And many of them do hire SG-qualified associates, though these tend to be people with stellar credentials (ex-JLC, NUS FCH/SMU summa, Oxbridge, international moot champions, etc). There is a much greater emphasis on academics and raw intelligence given the nature of disputes work at that level which calls for intricate legal analysis and argumentation.
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Currently a 2PQE Assoc doing Corp in mid sized firm (20-30 pax headcount). Not Big 4 or "Big 5"

Firm is featured in Legal 500 and ST. Dual qualified looking around for exit prospects.

Any thoughts? Would it be better to join a Big 4 or try my luck at the offshores?
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Currently a 2PQE Assoc doing Corp in mid sized firm (20-30 pax headcount). Not Big 4 or "Big 5"

Firm is featured in Legal 500 and ST. Dual qualified looking around for exit prospects.

Any thoughts? Would it be better to join a Big 4 or try my luck at the offshores?
Thoughts? Just give specific names of the firm. How you expecting us to guess the names of the firms is it?
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