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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am a FCH grad from a delisted school.

Have around 1+ PQE. Been in medium sized firms, but finding huge difficulty applying to the bigger firms.

Getting really sick of practice and thinking of LLMs for a career break.

Would an LLM/BCL from Cambridge/Oxford boost prospects? How about doing an LLM in top civil law school or in the US?

What about New York Bar over masters?

FCH in delisted or OSU uni is a dime a dozen. I say this not to diss overseas grads, but there are simply too many FCHs in mid tiers and Big 4s around. After 1 to 2 years in, your degree isn't going to be as determinative as your substantive experience or whether you practice in a 'big anme' firm working on big deals/cases. It depends on what your practice area is too.

Although given that Big 4 teams are bleeding people, you should be able to break in easily seeing how shorthanded they are.

I don't really think LLM or even NY bar will boost your competitiveness if your substantive experience isn't there in the first place. The BCL may make a different given how highly regarded and selective it is.

But then, others may have a different view.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am a FCH grad from a delisted school.

Have around 1+ PQE. Been in medium sized firms, but finding huge difficulty applying to the bigger firms.

Getting really sick of practice and thinking of LLMs for a career break.

Would an LLM/BCL from Cambridge/Oxford boost prospects? How about doing an LLM in top civil law school or in the US?

What about New York Bar over masters?

Go Harvard / Yale / Oxford or go home. But these don’t typically accept LLB from delisted - not saying that by way of criticism but stating what I understand to be a statistical fact.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am a FCH grad from a delisted school.

Have around 1+ PQE. Been in medium sized firms, but finding huge difficulty applying to the bigger firms.

Getting really sick of practice and thinking of LLMs for a career break.

Would an LLM/BCL from Cambridge/Oxford boost prospects? How about doing an LLM in top civil law school or in the US?

What about New York Bar over masters?

Ignore the idiots above - "delisted" is a term that only has meaning in the context of SG bar applications. It means nothing outside of that. A FCH from a "delisted" school means just as much to the admissions department of Oxford or Columbia than a FCH from NUS or SMU.

From a career standpoint, a BCL or LLM is meaningless outside of litigation, which you may be, but the more important consideration is that you have already started your career and you are at a crucial stage where you should focus on padding up your CV. If you hit the 3 or 4 year mark and all you have are small to mid size firms on your CV, you are nearing a dead end.

A poster above mentioned that B4 teams are bleeding people, this is very true. Go ahead and apply. I am confident you will get in if you have a FCH as you say.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If history is anything to go by, the time will come when these conditions drive so many practitioners out that the glut becomes a shortage of lawyers. This is the necessary consequence of having a supply/demand system that is so tightly controlled by policy. If you are able to wait it out, that is why you say no - pay me or else, and you will be paid. The problem is surviving until such a time comes about.

Hey poster from 2017 - hope you are happy to know that your prediction has been vindicated

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ignore the idiots above - "delisted" is a term that only has meaning in the context of SG bar applications. It means nothing outside of that. A FCH from a "delisted" school means just as much to the admissions department of Oxford or Columbia than a FCH from NUS or SMU.

From a career standpoint, a BCL or LLM is meaningless outside of litigation, which you may be, but the more important consideration is that you have already started your career and you are at a crucial stage where you should focus on padding up your CV. If you hit the 3 or 4 year mark and all you have are small to mid size firms on your CV, you are nearing a dead end.

A poster above mentioned that B4 teams are bleeding people, this is very true. Go ahead and apply. I am confident you will get in if you have a FCH as you say.

Of course everyone knows that “delisted” is a proxy but ask yourself: is there any alumni you can think of off-hand who graduated from a delisted school who went to any of the schools mentioned above? If not, please do not give unrealistic expectations. There is optimism and there is cruel and false optimism. All of us can think off-hand of some alumni off-hand from Oxbridge, NUS and KCL/UCL who did the BCL or an LLM from Harvard.

Your point on Big 4 is correct though. They are bleeding at the moment and no harm even as a delisted FCH to apply to one of those.

Your Mandarin good? Get LLM in Chinese law in some top Chinese law school. They're always hungry for foreign applicants.

After that apply to work in Chinese multinationals or good Chinese firms like GLO

Does anyone know someone who got a HK TC with a SG LLB? I would think it’s quite hard since we are less competitive compared to HK LLBs. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Of course everyone knows that “delisted” is a proxy but ask yourself: is there any alumni you can think of off-hand who graduated from a delisted school who went to any of the schools mentioned above? If not, please do not give unrealistic expectations. There is optimism and there is cruel and false optimism. All of us can think off-hand of some alumni off-hand from Oxbridge, NUS and KCL/UCL who did the BCL or an LLM from Harvard.

Your point on Big 4 is correct though. They are bleeding at the moment and no harm even as a delisted FCH to apply to one of those.

It’s been established that Oxbridge LLM/BCL is the best.
Some first class also get rejected.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It’s been established that Oxbridge LLM/BCL is the best.
Some first class also get rejected.

I think the LLM at harvard is much more prestigious. The BCL is far more intellectually rigorous but the amount of mileage that Harvard gets you beats Oxford any day.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think the LLM at harvard is much more prestigious. The BCL is far more intellectually rigorous but the amount of mileage that Harvard gets you beats Oxford any day.

But some 2:1/2:2 also can get Harvard.
I’ve not seen anyone with less than a fch at Oxford BCL