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Hi anyone has experience working in these 2 firms?

. Quahe Woo & Palmer

. CNP

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The competition to get into these top UK firms, fighting tooth and nail with local Brits and other high-calibre overseas law students from Ghana, Nigeria, and other parts of the Commonwealth, just to land a slot in one of the vacation scheme assessment centres, and for a chance at a TC, is extremely tough.

Disabuse yourself of the fantasy that international law firms will all suddenly prostrate before you and roll out the red carpet just because you're studying in one of the Russell Group or Red Brick (or lower tier) unis that some of their partners studied in.

Oh and if you're hoping to coast in as a sympathy / diversity hire, I've got bad news for u - they actually prefer black and brown BAME for diversity points, not yellow-skinned East Asians.

You overseas grads make it sound so easy. Imagine framing your second rate uni as a magical key opening doors to all firms. Yes I'm sure they'll bow before the splendor of your Notts or KCL LLB. Seriously delusional and also lacking in critical thinking. Your mental faculties are truly second rate.

The fact that you don't realize what the truly easiest way is to international firms - working in a top Big 4 team before lateralling into one of the international firms here, as so many of my NUS and SMU peers have done, is telling that most delisted grads are here spouting rubbish.

I don’t think OP said they will roll out the red carpet for anyone.
OP was just saying that partners tend to favour people with similar educational background, so if you’re a local NUS grad the path to partnership in a big four is much easier than trying to stake a claim on the magic circle international firms. For a very simple reason. If I am a British/Australian hiring partner in an international firm from Western Sydney University or Nottingham Trent, and I have a choice: to hire a Singaporean who studied in LSE/KCL with FCH or a Singaporean who studied at NUS - which would I be more inclined to choose and why?
You use strong words like delusional, and lacking in critical thinking.
If you’re so smart, why not prove it by joining Sheridan fellowship?
If you’re so disgruntled, the option to upgrade your NUS LLB by going to do a Harvard LLM or BCL Oxford is always on the table.

all this pointless arguing over overseas & local grads every few weeks is getting pretty tiresome.

there will be grads from all unis who will stand out from their peers, and others who will go on to have more average careers for a variety of reasons.

why bother with incessant debate over whose university is better? As cliche as it sounds, at the end of the day, the litmus test is whether firms will hire you, and how well you do in practice.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

all this pointless arguing over overseas & local grads every few weeks is getting pretty tiresome.

there will be grads from all unis who will stand out from their peers, and others who will go on to have more average careers for a variety of reasons.

why bother with incessant debate over whose university is better? As cliche as it sounds, at the end of the day, the litmus test is whether firms will hire you, and how well you do in practice.

There is no better for delisted schools.

They can't practice (lol) for the post 2016 batch. Not in Singapore at least. Maybe as a foreign lawyer, but they are on the Singapore market talking about how MC and SC hires them.

When a delisted Associate tells you how he got 79 or 85 for a module and is somehow better than a 2.1 from NUS..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There is no better for delisted schools.

They can't practice (lol) for the post 2016 batch. Not in Singapore at least. Maybe as a foreign lawyer, but they are on the Singapore market talking about how MC and SC hires them.

When a delisted Associate tells you how he got 79 or 85 for a module and is somehow better than a 2.1 from NUS..

Not all delisted grads, but some.

There's many bad experiences with them boasting about how their 79 matters. Does any law school that is worth going to suffer such grade inflation that a 2.2 from NUS is better than the 79 or 86?

There ARE good lawyers from delisted schools. These are outliers. The rate of that happening is a lot lower, even with FCH. Grades and school does matter for practice. Why else does B4 or intl even ask for your transcripts?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

There is no better for delisted schools.

They can't practice (lol) for the post 2016 batch. Not in Singapore at least. Maybe as a foreign lawyer, but they are on the Singapore market talking about how MC and SC hires them.

When a delisted Associate tells you how he got 79 or 85 for a module and is somehow better than a 2.1 from NUS..

You seem to be the same person in the last few pages throwing shade at delisted. This is the wrong forum to vent because no one cares. Maybe band together with your 2:2 and commiserate in a special group.
NUS law gives out 10% FCH. From your last paragraph, you’re a NUS 2:1. Sorry mate, you should have studied harder to get your NUS FCH.

Who cares about absolute numbers?
Every country or even uni has a different grading scheme.
Some places you need 75 for FCH. Some places 80.
Hence Harvard LLM and Oxford BCL ask for your class rank.
Let’s face the facts. If a university gives out an excessive amount of 80 and everyone is getting 80, then your 80 could mean you’re just ranked in the bottom 25%.
If a university gives 80 to only the top 1%, then I think the person is good.
Topping a cohort in any university including delisted is a difficult endeavor.
In the history of the Oxford BCL, only 1 Singaporean (as far as we are aware), has obtained the Vinerian scholarship for topping the BCL cohort, despite countless number of Singaporeans doing the BCL every year.

So is this a salary forum or uni forum?

Delisted in Latham also earn cravath? Oxbridge in tom dick harry llc also earn peanuts?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Topping a cohort in any university including delisted is a difficult endeavor.

Yes topping the cohort for a delisted university for a delisted grad is a difficult endeavour.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In the history of the Oxford BCL, only 1 Singaporean (as far as we are aware), has obtained the Vinerian scholarship for topping the BCL cohort, despite countless number of Singaporeans doing the BCL every year.

Imagine comparing Oxford to delisted. That's the same as comparing something worthy to be framed with newspapers.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

So is this a salary forum or uni forum?

Delisted in Latham also earn cravath? Oxbridge in tom dick harry llc also earn peanuts?

1 or 5 out of 100 doesn't even address the argument that most delisted grads are garbage.