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Old 10-01-2022, 01:24 PM
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Post revisions the salary ranges of the B4 are pretty equivalent.

NQ 6.4 - 6.8
1PQE 7.4 - 7.8
2 PQE 8.4 - 8.8
3 PQE 9.8 - 10.4

WP is highest based on monthly take home (as they made a point to do so) but is not necessarily the highest after factoring in bonuses.
This is accurate.

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How can these figures be correct for Big 4 if Rodyk's revised salary is already as per the scale below. Unless Rodyk is paying on the same scale as the Big 4s now?

NQ 6.5k
1PQE 7.6k
2PQE 8.5k
3PQE 10k
4PQE 11.6k
5PQE 12.5k
6PQE 13.5k
Does this mean DENTONS RODYK is now part of the Big 5? Its pay scale seems above big4, or at least on par!! Truly international

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How much does a typical Chinatown litigation lawyer earn?
Not enough to afford them the dignity befitting of a lawyer. Paralegal level of dignity maybe.

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Not enough to afford them the dignity befitting of a lawyer. Paralegal level of dignity maybe.
I see. What would u say about Big4 salary then? Got dignity ?
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I see. What would u say about Big4 salary then? Got dignity ?
Wage slave for less than Chinatown
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Wage slave for less than Chinatown
But if we can reach JP level at WongP, can get rich! Low taxes compared to international firms in london


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I see. What would u say about Big4 salary then? Got dignity ?
Big4 is not dignified enough, period.

Its no secret that MPs and politicians salaries have the highest dignity. Law students and lawyers of all seniorities should aim to join local politics which provides the highest dignity in Singapore, as MPs dignity are benchmarked to top local lawyers like DS.

Can't get more digni-dollars than DS.
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It's been great reading the posts here, which - quite understandably - focus on where one can expect larger salaries at a junior level.

That said, it is important not to miss the wood from the trees. International firms have been here for longer than people think. Even White and Case was tied up with CNP Law for some time, Shook Lin with A&O etc. Some, particularly those that are not FLA/JLVs pay well. Others less so.

Even in the former category, the question to be asked is this: what can I get away from this experience, apart from some extra money? As associates, there will come a time where the need to justify one's existence becomes more relevant. After all, the 18k or 22k has to come from somewhere. When that happens, what skills have you amassed, and how marketable are you? At an international firm, quite unlikely you have a book by the time this date of reckoning arrives. In terms of skillset, sure you've been on a number of big deals - but so have many other direct competitors in the marketplace. So what gives?

This is a very real scenario facing many who are nearing 8-10 pqe. Even worse if you are in a lower paying FLA type setup. One only has to look at recent moves from international firms to medium sized local setups to verify this.

I'd therefore like to see the question being posed more holistically. Yes firms are raising salaries, and international firms always tend to pay more. But where can I develop, grow into my preferred practice area, build up a brand - rather than be an overpaid production operator waiting for the date of reckoning to arrive?

wage slave spotted
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But if we can reach JP level at WongP, can get rich! Low taxes compared to international firms in london
I died. Hahahahahahahahaha
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Just remember that Dentons has more than 12000 lawyers while the big4 only have around 300 each.
Pls. its a swiss verein with separate profit pools. Basically a McDonalds franchise in every possible jurisdiction.

Even in London, Dentons likely ranks below some rando outfits like Gowling WLG or BCLP in prestige.
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