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Old 24-11-2021, 01:35 PM
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No need to think so much.

4PQEs in A&G get more than 9.5k.

Either OP is lying or A&G cut his PQE when he lateralled in (i.e. he is 4 PQE in experience but he is on the 3PQE payscale), which is actually very common.
Or OP donít know how to count PQE lol.

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Old 24-11-2021, 01:52 PM
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Or OP donít know how to count PQE lol.
Doubt it - they repeat these numbers to you through the interview process and before you sign the contract they make it crystal clear to you what PQE scale you will be paid at during probation

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Good morning everyone, I am a young lawyer. Not in Big 4 but decent place doing litigation for a decent boss. Graduated with 2nd Upper. The hours are challenging so far but I accept this is par for the course and will only get worse. That is fine. I know this come with the territory.

I'm very passionate about litigation and I know this is idealistic but I am certain that litigation is it for me and what I want to do in the long term. While money is important, it is less a concern for me than experience and the purpose behind the work. Would it make sense to apply to go legal service to be a DPP? Does anyone know if it will give me a lot of litigation experience? I know there are quite a few SCs in the Legal Service and I wonder if we would get exposure to some of them if we joined the Legal Service. Goes without saying that I would love to eventually be SC but I also know that this may be a pipe dream. But one can hope.

Would it make sense joining legal service or would staying in private practice be the way to go to develop as a litigator? If so, should I try to move to a big firm to get exposure to SCs so that I can develop as a litigator further? Would be thankful for some frank thoughts.

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Good morning everyone, I am a young lawyer. Not in Big 4 but decent place doing litigation for a decent boss. Graduated with 2nd Upper. The hours are challenging so far but I accept this is par for the course and will only get worse. That is fine. I know this come with the territory.

I'm very passionate about litigation and I know this is idealistic but I am certain that litigation is it for me and what I want to do in the long term. While money is important, it is less a concern for me than experience and the purpose behind the work. Would it make sense to apply to go legal service to be a DPP? Does anyone know if it will give me a lot of litigation experience? I know there are quite a few SCs in the Legal Service and I wonder if we would get exposure to some of them if we joined the Legal Service. Goes without saying that I would love to eventually be SC but I also know that this may be a pipe dream. But one can hope.

Would it make sense joining legal service or would staying in private practice be the way to go to develop as a litigator? If so, should I try to move to a big firm to get exposure to SCs so that I can develop as a litigator further? Would be thankful for some frank thoughts.
I'm gonna be honest, seems like you just want to be a portfolio wh*re and whitewash a shitty job with AGC or Big4. That is completely fine (in fact that is recommended if you want to "eventually be SC"). However, AGC will not really help you in that regard (tbh, it's near impossible to be SC even with big4 or int firms).

Just wh*re out to the big4 (if you can), and try to last long enough to make partner or to jump to an int firm. Aim for the money, and the prestige (and bigger cases) will follow. It is almost a universal truth in liti that the 'better' teams charge more and can afford to pay more.

You won't get exposure to the "SCs in legal service" just by applying as a DPP, especially if you're not on the JLC track. You'll be several rungs removed from anything remotely close to an SC for the first 5-10 years of your AGC life. The AGC is elitist, the ones who get the good litigation experience are the ones with the higher grades (i.e. JLC track). Additionally, it's crim law, you'll end up doing alot of low "value" work prosecuting small-time criminals for voyeurism or theft or assault.

Try applying for AGC (Civ) if you really want to build your portfolio, but it's still not as good as private practice (again unless you're a scholars/FCH and you're doing a stint in civil service - as requested).

People say AGC is good because you get to run the file by yourself almost immediately (baptism by fire) but if you're already in litigation with a relatively good boss who gives you opportunities, just stay with them. If you suck at liti, you'll still suck (and not get enough big-time experiences) after AGC, and you'll have a problem coming out again as a crim lawyer (unless you're fine with crim or the possibility of a PQE cut). If you're already running files in your non-big4 firm, the main advantage of AGC evaporates.
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Good morning everyone, I am a young lawyer. Not in Big 4 but decent place doing litigation for a decent boss. Graduated with 2nd Upper. The hours are challenging so far but I accept this is par for the course and will only get worse. That is fine. I know this come with the territory.

I'm very passionate about litigation and I know this is idealistic but I am certain that litigation is it for me and what I want to do in the long term. While money is important, it is less a concern for me than experience and the purpose behind the work. Would it make sense to apply to go legal service to be a DPP? Does anyone know if it will give me a lot of litigation experience? I know there are quite a few SCs in the Legal Service and I wonder if we would get exposure to some of them if we joined the Legal Service. Goes without saying that I would love to eventually be SC but I also know that this may be a pipe dream. But one can hope.

Would it make sense joining legal service or would staying in private practice be the way to go to develop as a litigator? If so, should I try to move to a big firm to get exposure to SCs so that I can develop as a litigator further? Would be thankful for some frank thoughts.
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Good morning everyone, I am a young lawyer. Not in Big 4 but decent place doing litigation for a decent boss. Graduated with 2nd Upper. The hours are challenging so far but I accept this is par for the course and will only get worse. That is fine. I know this come with the territory.

I'm very passionate about litigation and I know this is idealistic but I am certain that litigation is it for me and what I want to do in the long term. While money is important, it is less a concern for me than experience and the purpose behind the work. Would it make sense to apply to go legal service to be a DPP? Does anyone know if it will give me a lot of litigation experience? I know there are quite a few SCs in the Legal Service and I wonder if we would get exposure to some of them if we joined the Legal Service. Goes without saying that I would love to eventually be SC but I also know that this may be a pipe dream. But one can hope.

Would it make sense joining legal service or would staying in private practice be the way to go to develop as a litigator? If so, should I try to move to a big firm to get exposure to SCs so that I can develop as a litigator further? Would be thankful for some frank thoughts.
my 2 cents FWIW. Start from the premise of doing what you like and do that. If it is construction law, or arbitration by way of examples, going public service is pointless. So must first ask if what you do whether in a law firm or in public sector or even in-house is what you want. And if you want to work with someone go for it, but not because they are Senior Counsel. Titles of bosses matter less than you might think in the long-term. If you want to go far, you must first enjoy your work. As another poster mentioned, if you enjoy the work and work hard, the rewards will come.
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Any thoughts on wongp disputes?
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Any thoughts on wongp disputes?
Meat Grinder, most ppl don't last long and they don't expect you to last long. Their tactic is to throw a ton of assocs at the case and throw every argument (irrelevant or not) under the sun into their pleadings. You'll see alot of situations where each assoc is tasked to do a specific part of the pleadings, because they have too many arguments and assocs.
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Meat Grinder, most ppl don't last long and they don't expect you to last long. Their tactic is to throw a ton of assocs at the case and throw every argument (irrelevant or not) under the sun into their pleadings. You'll see alot of situations where each assoc is tasked to do a specific part of the pleadings, because they have too many arguments and assocs.
Do international firms here have dispute reso depts?
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Do international firms here have dispute reso depts?
Yes of course. Like BCLP, Dechert, etc. They do arbitration
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