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Old 24-08-2021, 02:29 PM
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You guys forgot ah? During the height of the glut fearmongering in 2016-2017, some firms were proudly declaring that they take on trainees as a "favour" or service to community, and put trainees on different payschemes, including NOT paying some of them.

They were pretty smug about their selfless contribution to the industry too

//.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/more-local-law-firms-willing-to-take-in-trainees-but-without-pay

//.rollonfriday.com/news-content/taylor-wessing-pays-trainees-nothing-singapore
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You guys forgot ah? During the height of the glut fearmongering in 2016-2017, some firms were proudly declaring that they take on trainees as a "favour" or service to community, and put trainees on different payschemes, including NOT paying some of them.

They were pretty smug about their selfless contribution to the industry too

//.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/more-local-law-firms-willing-to-take-in-trainees-but-without-pay

//.rollonfriday.com/news-content/taylor-wessing-pays-trainees-nothing-singapore
I was qualified not too long ago but can clarify that my peers, even though who received second lowers, all have managed to find jobs/TCs. The lowest TC pay I have gathered from my new sources was just slightly below $800. Never have I heard of any unpaid TC positions. It is just a matter of finding what they like. I am a little perplexed at the claims made in such news, whereby they make talk about how trainees have to go to the extent pay the firms to get TCs". On the other hand, I know of smaller boutique firms (including the one I was working at) who were struggling to get TC applicants.

Maybe someone could give a fair statement on why is there such a disparity between reality and what was portrayed in these claims or rumours.

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I was qualified not too long ago but can clarify that my peers, even though who received second lowers, all have managed to find jobs/TCs. The lowest TC pay I have gathered from my new sources was just slightly below $800. Never have I heard of any unpaid TC positions. It is just a matter of finding what they like. I am a little perplexed at the claims made in such news, whereby they make talk about how trainees have to go to the extent pay the firms to get TCs". On the other hand, I know of smaller boutique firms (including the one I was working at) who were struggling to get TC applicants.

Maybe someone could give a fair statement on why is there such a disparity between reality and what was portrayed in these claims or rumours.
Someone who is paying the firm for a TC will not tell u they are doing so.
Thatís how they escape detection.

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Also cheapo firms who doesnít intend to retain most of their trainees can pretendpretend keep them on for a couple months or a year. Then slowly let them go one by one. Then wonít look bad redy. Trainee so cheap. Why pay for lawyers.

Then come to do interviews to let ppl think itís the norm. Got lowly paid TC good enuf alr.

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Low TC pay reflects low associate pay.
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almost 1pqe assoc, in a smaller mid sized firm thinking abt a move to a larger mid sized/big 4.

current salary 4k (no increment/bonus), quite shorthanded now

currently in a general liti role with some corp, real estate and really pao ka liao stuff like even admin too.

what salary shd i be looking out for?

whats a good corp firm to move to, if cant get into b4?
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almost 1pqe assoc, in a smaller mid sized firm thinking abt a move to a larger mid sized/big 4.

current salary 4k (no increment/bonus), quite shorthanded now

currently in a general liti role with some corp, real estate and really pao ka liao stuff like even admin too.

what salary shd i be looking out for?

whats a good corp firm to move to, if cant get into b4?
4k sing so low, that is less than rent money nia.
RHT or TSMP - hopefully they don't have different tracks for 1pqe too lolz. But if your firm dunwan you at 1PQE,got other cheaper trainee labour .Got anything just grab la. How to compete with a $800-2k trainee sia.
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A lot of these retained but let go at 8-10 months, 1PQE, 2PQE hanky panky is also happening at bigger firms including B4.
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What kind of hanky panky stories?
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I was qualified not too long ago but can clarify that my peers, even though who received second lowers, all have managed to find jobs/TCs. The lowest TC pay I have gathered from my new sources was just slightly below $800. Never have I heard of any unpaid TC positions. It is just a matter of finding what they like. I am a little perplexed at the claims made in such news, whereby they make talk about how trainees have to go to the extent pay the firms to get TCs". On the other hand, I know of smaller boutique firms (including the one I was working at) who were struggling to get TC applicants.

Maybe someone could give a fair statement on why is there such a disparity between reality and what was portrayed in these claims or rumours.
"slightly below $800" vs getting nothing. Is nothing much at all.

Even $1.5-2k is toilet paper money in todae's terms. That is the pay of a maid or a Maccs worker. Yet you ask, "why is there such a disparity". Joke's on you.
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What kind of hanky panky stories?
If chiobu wear seksi seksi skert, got better chance to retain / get good-paying TCs?
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