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Do most 2.2s do community law?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

does anyone know of a 2.2 who actually made it into the international firms?

im a first year posting this, just finished my exams and am not very sure what to expect. obviously ill try my hardest to not get a 2.2 eventually but was just curious? also im from one of the london unis, really dont think that mean post was necessary.

thanks to the others for sharing!

Originally Posted by Unregistered

no point asking this qn over and over again here. you are probably looking for reassurance that your fk up in uni isnt fatal to w/e career you had in mind because you feel paiseh when you compare d*ck size with your peers.

you are not going to find that reassurance here.

if you didnt do well enough in a levels to do law at nus/smu/oxbridge, thats strike one. we meme about delisted unis etc but do your hw. how many people from liverpool, manc, auckland, god knows where else are in the b4, etc. those you can find, you can count on one hand. check their background. ask if they are well connected. you are probably not.

if you didnt do well enough in w/e 2nd tier uni you went to, thats strike two. if you can get 1st from manc or leicester or southampton, still not so bad. can try b4. depending on partner, can close one eye. if you have 2:1 like 99% of overseas students...why must hire you out of all of them? see where this is going?

if you have a 2:2 from leeds or w/e, pls stop daydreaming about working for b4 corp. its not going to happen in this day and age. out of the hundreds that jump to every linkedin job ad, why do you even think your app has a chance? the tons of 2:1 from nus, the w/e cum laude from smu, the 2:1 from lse/ucl/etc. why would the partner pick your grades over the others? how to explain to fortune 500 client that a freaking b4 firm hired someone mediocre out of the hundreds of better applicants to work on their multimillion dollar matter?

its more likely that if you practise it will be chinatown firm liti. i mean if you cant take the "shame" of doing 9am mentions in ct 4a or going to mnd for yet another mediation compared to your peers who working on aviation financing or w/e...you only have yourself to blame. should have done better for a levels and/or uni.

why do you think you have a chance of crossing over at some point when every year newly minted grads with 1sts put themselves up for consideration? you couldnt compete with your peers then, you want to compete with someone younger and possibly cheaper than what you are asking for and who is a blank slate ready to be trained to b4 way of doing things.

not saying its impossible. you can try. but dont come away from here with the one anecdote of "eh my friend did it sia, jump here and then there" and think yes, ONE person was lucky enough to do it, i can too.

if it sticks in your craw to put tan ah kow llp in peoples park centre on your cv, go and do something else with your life. so many others like you have worked for gov where honours degree is good enough, doesnt matter what classification, or worked for banks, be backend analyst or relationship manager or whatever.

law more so than the other professions unfortunately has to look at grades. you f*cked up in sch. these are the consequences.

Hard truths... but true

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Sounds you scored well in school but realised life is still sh*t

Don't we all? The most important thing that matters in reality is your parents' status and who you know.

I have seen 2:2 incompetent assocs with powerful and rich parents, working in prestigious firms and even the managing partner is afraid of these "princes/princesses"

Meanwhile, law grads who scored 2:1 and way more competent than these assocs are jobless or stuck in Chinatown firms.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hard truths... but true

Not all harshly worded statements are “hard truths”.

Which schools do intl firms prefer?

As I said no connections no talk.
Once connections, you 3rd class or fail also can

Where should a 2:1 from Nottingham expect to train at?

i would say the difference in aptitude betw 2:2s and >=2:1s is more apparent in Disputes than in Corp la

Originally Posted by Unregistered

i would say the difference in aptitude betw 2:2s and >=2:1s is more apparent in Disputes than in Corp la

this is very true and roughly follows how it is in the UK, where barristers are perceived to be the smartest lawyers actually. The tiering system is as follows.

So at the highest level, disputes contain the smartest lawyers. These are the JLCs who remain in liti, and future SCs and Supreme Court judges, i.e. the nobility of law.

Transactional lawyers are less smart, but ironically because of the perceived prestige, corp departments are more selective in terms of grades. Transactional work doesn't really need cutting edge legal brainpower in the doctrinal law sense, so whether you're 2:1 or 2:2 doesn't really matter unless you're retarded, autistic or too ugly to present to clients. These are the bourgeoise of law.

Finally, you have the rank and file disputes that accept all those whose grades cmi to corp. these are the struggling proletarians and working class of law.