Lawyer Salary

All you people singing praises about NUS/SMU while ousting other schools is just like the demented and delusional Beow Tan.

Grow up, you lawyers to be and be just a bit more dignified and cultured (although admittedly quite difficult for sinkies to be in general).

Originally Posted by Unregistered

not OP, but there's some truth in the OPs' suggestion that bakers is highly integrated - makes sense if you believe that they're the "World's Best Law Firm Brand". But I also hear that the people there generally "drink the kool-aid", so to speak.

Another HR nutcase. How is a small singapore office THE WORLD?

A first class is the bare minimum today for international firms.
2:1 still a bit of hope. 2:2 no chance at all.

Why? NUS law in the past few years award 10% fch every year. Practically everyone else gets a 2:1. Only a small minority gets 2:2.

There is a glut. You connect the dots.

All these exclude connections. If you use connections, you may come from a degree mill and still be employed.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

A first class is the bare minimum today for international firms.
2:1 still a bit of hope. 2:2 no chance at all.

Why? NUS law in the past few years award 10% fch every year. Practically everyone else gets a 2:1. Only a small minority gets 2:2.

There is a glut. You connect the dots.

All these exclude connections. If you use connections, you may come from a degree mill and still be employed.

Connections doesn’t mean your parents must be rich.
Connection can be created on your own. Marry rich, friend rich etc

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Another HR nutcase. How is a small singapore office THE WORLD?

talk to some BMWL people lol

Originally Posted by Unregistered

A first class is the bare minimum today for international firms.
2:1 still a bit of hope. 2:2 no chance at all.

Why? NUS law in the past few years award 10% fch every year. Practically everyone else gets a 2:1. Only a small minority gets 2:2.

There is a glut. You connect the dots.

All these exclude connections. If you use connections, you may come from a degree mill and still be employed.

Absolutely untrue. Getting into international firms requires a 2:1 and making it though their (non-academic) gauntlet of interviews and tests.

There is no glut of lawyers globally. US firms are paying USD 50k sign on bonuses. Business is booming in London and Dubai. HK always needs lawyers who can read and write Mandarin (and who can put up with their shitty working conditions and COL).

Stop spreading bitterness.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Absolutely untrue. Getting into international firms requires a 2:1 and making it though their (non-academic) gauntlet of interviews and tests.

There is no glut of lawyers globally. US firms are paying USD 50k sign on bonuses. Business is booming in London and Dubai. HK always needs lawyers who can read and write Mandarin (and who can put up with their shitty working conditions and COL).

Stop spreading bitterness.

Not OP. But the OP said 2:1 has some chance.
OP seems to be referring to SG lawyers aiming for the internationals.
Meaning NUS/SMU grads...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Absolutely untrue. Getting into international firms requires a 2:1 and making it though their (non-academic) gauntlet of interviews and tests.

There is no glut of lawyers globally. US firms are paying USD 50k sign on bonuses. Business is booming in London and Dubai. HK always needs lawyers who can read and write Mandarin (and who can put up with their shitty working conditions and COL).

Stop spreading bitterness.

We need to dispel the notion that int'l firms are difficult to get into and/or all but impossible except for the top grads and JLC calibre lawyers etc.

Truth is, there is a VERY WIDE range of int'l law firms with offices in Singapore. Not all are top tier white shoe/MC ones like Sidley, Freshfields, A&O, Linklaters, Jones Day, White and Case.

There are also comparatively less prestigious or more specialised firms like Walkers, DAC Beachcroft, Withers, Hogan Lovells, Vedder Price etc and even some non-Ango/American law firms like the Jap and Aussie ones. And that's not even counting many of those with JLVs with Singapore law practices (which may be even easier to get into through the backdoor of the Singapore law practices).

Each of these "less prestigious" int'l firms are in all likelihood still paying much better than the Big4 in Singapore.

So, it's not all white shoe/MC or nothing. Open your eyes for opportunities and speak actively to recruiters. You'll be surprised how active the international firm market is here and with luck, you may even land yourself a far cushier gig than slogging it out in a local (Big4) law firm. Good luck!

How is a London tc compared to a sg tc?

Is there a telegram group for distressed Singapore lawyers?