ST engineering starting pay

Originally Posted by Unregistered

can concur, dont bother pushing so hard for promotion, 99% of the time you will have an incompetent team member doing absolutely nothing but drawing quite a high pay and coming late and going home early everyday

really useless employee

agreed, if u choose to work in this company with such teammates, u are retarded

ownself pwn ownself

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Agreed. Our team got a superstar coder.
He come as early as 7 am. Then leave at 7 pm.
Weekend also work! His choice. He is aiming for promotion etc. Want a fast tracked career.
Our team lead basically told him to relax. He can't give him any better performance review.
Just average cause thats the culture.

The superstar was devastated. This was 3 months before the performance review.
He was fixing bugs for production issue, was helping in prototyping. Was helping in R&D. Even write a paper for tech idea for internal competition which the team won BTW.

But the team lead basically said the senior management will downgrade, there is nothing he can do. He can't put all max points. Must have weaknesses to deduct point.

The superstar didn't take it well. He basically started coming in late at 945 am even later than most senior at 9 am. He also leave 10 min earlier now to catch the shuttle bus....

I asked him "you angry is it?"

He said "no ah the team lead ask me to not work so hard. This is me not working hard."
His performance was the same as every other fresh staff. Meet expectation. Bonus also same. We know. We confirmed with each other.

At first we were teasing him that he worked so hard the bonus must be damn good. But he showed us is the same as most of the team. But at the same time the team lead was promoted to assistant principal engineer M1. And the team lead can't even code. He just delegate work and check in progress

Sad to say, our superstar have left to join govtech. Now all the **** come to us and we don't know how to fix haha. All planning to quit let the team lead settle. But guess what, they hired a fresh grad and basically push everything to the new guy.

Most of us waiting for bonus then leave. Quiet quitting


Yes work hard does not equate promotion. So don't work so hard.
Better spend time to suck up to the boss who will promote you.
If they like you, you smile alot, polite alot, do all their bidding like slave they will use you.
Then when everyone else quit and there is a quota to promote you, then that's your chance.

I not from STE, from other BU. I cannot code.
Same thing. Help to set up a new lab and tear down existing one.
Plan all budgets as well as leading team members to do the transition.

Manager get the credit saying if he never there to manage this transfer won't be so successful.
While all the 3 months he not around

[AirPocket]

Just got a offer to convert from external contract to perm , 1 year in ST. However they are offering 5% lower monthly basic but total annual compensation 9% higheri inclusive of 2 months bonus. Can't help but feel like I got scammed, if I leave before performance bonus = I suffer a loss

Originally Posted by AirPocket

Just got a offer to convert from external contract to perm , 1 year in ST. However they are offering 5% lower monthly basic but total annual compensation 9% higheri inclusive of 2 months bonus. Can't help but feel like I got scammed, if I leave before performance bonus = I suffer a loss

It is well known in the industry for many year that ST can't pay and they have difficulty in attracting and retaining talents.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is well known in the industry for many year that ST can't pay and they have difficulty in attracting and retaining talents.

ST is basically a dumping ground for the SAF peeps especially for those who are in force for so long, no upgrade of knowledge, don't even know trending tech and have non transferrable skillsets. When i first joined, i already want to quit on my 3rd day because most of their so called managers have zero knowledge. safety manager don't even know how to do or review risk assessment and don't dare to sign just push to his team of grads. Luckily, i managed to leave few years back.

Honestly, ST will never transform if their target hiring employees are always SAF peeps and they can only play a contractor role forever.

When I was in ST

I heard of ppl be contract staff for 7 years

somemore the guy quite senior....

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It is well known in the industry for many year that ST can't pay and they have difficulty in attracting and retaining talents.

sure or not, esp with the recent revision?

E5 fresh grad now getting 4.8k with AWS and bonus for total of 14 months annual compensation

If work for 2 years and then jump to ST, basic $5.5k-6k+

yearly increment better than NCS. NCS only 1% increment with no AWS=13 months annual

very good already

I got a guy with some 8 year background in Process and Quality. He's from SP and formerly from Micron and some of their competitors. He was offered an E4 position in ST but around the same time, he got another offer from us in a Fortune 500 company and we gave him a senior Engineer position that's like E5. (I was in ST for a few months) We paid him above market rate and took him in. He can work independently or lead. Deliver results either way. He got promoted to Principal Engineer in 2 years with his extraordinary competence and outstanding skillsets.

The idea of him getting an E4 offer is nothing short of a surprise because given his knowledge and skillsets, he's worth much more. But their loss my gain, not complaining though.

Now M1 salary range?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

ST is basically a dumping ground for the SAF peeps especially for those who are in force for so long, no upgrade of knowledge, don't even know trending tech and have non transferrable skillsets. When i first joined, i already want to quit on my 3rd day because most of their so called managers have zero knowledge. safety manager don't even know how to do or review risk assessment and don't dare to sign just push to his team of grads. Luckily, i managed to leave few years back.

Honestly, ST will never transform if their target hiring employees are always SAF peeps and they can only play a contractor role forever.

They will never change, Govt create ST engineering precisely for the purpose to keep the retired SAF general in check by giving them high position and fat paycheck

The budget is always meant for throwing into the drain

U think ST is really for building new tech for defense?