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Old 27-04-2016, 05:06 PM
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There are 2 computer science fresh graduates I want to share with you:

Final Year Student A: received an offer as "Business Analyst" with starting pay at S$4.8k/month. AWS and bonus,etc

Final Year Student B: received an offer as "Java Developer" with starting pay at S$4.4k/month,AWS and bonus,etc


They are quite fit for their roles. Student A is always good at communicating and he is a leader in some student club. Student B is a geeky guy who wrote great code and won some prize in Hackton.

However, I don't understand why business analyst can earn so much even compared to developers? As we all know, everybody can talk, communicate, there is nothing technical inside (or maybe a little bit?). Then why business analyst pays more than engineers, and almost same as some developers?

A lot of engineering students are aiming to become Business Analyst but what will be the future? Imagine after 5 years, the developer guy become a subject matter expert and their expertise can give them big bucks. But what about business analyst? What's their bargain power for big bucks?

Hope someone solve my question, thanks!

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There are 2 computer science fresh graduates I want to share with you:

Final Year Student A: received an offer as "Business Analyst" with starting pay at S$4.8k/month. AWS and bonus,etc

Final Year Student B: received an offer as "Java Developer" with starting pay at S$4.4k/month,AWS and bonus,etc


They are quite fit for their roles. Student A is always good at communicating and he is a leader in some student club. Student B is a geeky guy who wrote great code and won some prize in Hackton.

However, I don't understand why business analyst can earn so much even compared to developers? As we all know, everybody can talk, communicate, there is nothing technical inside (or maybe a little bit?). Then why business analyst pays more than engineers, and almost same as some developers?

A lot of engineering students are aiming to become Business Analyst but what will be the future? Imagine after 5 years, the developer guy become a subject matter expert and their expertise can give them big bucks. But what about business analyst? What's their bargain power for big bucks?

Hope someone solve my question, thanks!
Communication skills and presentation skills will always be valued. Not everyone is good at presenting. Most high paying jobs are sales related which require these soft skills.

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There are 2 computer science fresh graduates I want to share with you:

Final Year Student A: received an offer as "Business Analyst" with starting pay at S$4.8k/month. AWS and bonus,etc

Final Year Student B: received an offer as "Java Developer" with starting pay at S$4.4k/month,AWS and bonus,etc


They are quite fit for their roles. Student A is always good at communicating and he is a leader in some student club. Student B is a geeky guy who wrote great code and won some prize in Hackton.

However, I don't understand why business analyst can earn so much even compared to developers? As we all know, everybody can talk, communicate, there is nothing technical inside (or maybe a little bit?). Then why business analyst pays more than engineers, and almost same as some developers?

A lot of engineering students are aiming to become Business Analyst but what will be the future? Imagine after 5 years, the developer guy become a subject matter expert and their expertise can give them big bucks. But what about business analyst? What's their bargain power for big bucks?

Hope someone solve my question, thanks!
A developer is paid based on how fast he can write good code to meet specifications exactly.

A business analyst is paid based on taking $X, spending it on resources to make a product, and selling it for $Y where $Y > $X, the more the better.

I used to think like you once. When you get older, you understand the virtue that it'll all about making money. If you do, you'll get paid.

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As we all know, everybody can talk, communicate, there is nothing technical inside (or maybe a little bit?).
I've seen many, many Singaporean grads who can't talk/communicate.


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i highly doubt everyone know how to talk and communicate. and it is one of the most valued skill in the corporate world.
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who say everyone know how to talk and present well.

most people work in technical role cannot present well.
yes, when u ask them technical stuff they can tell u lot of stuff..

but u look at high level view. its more of business side and planning, they know nth of it.

so far i know. no one will be a developer for very long. they will either jump out to become project management or solution architect.. no more coding.

those struck in a development job forever are those cant communicate with people.
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trust me.

any job is front facing is always more valuable than backend.

think about this.. how high can a developer climb?
senior developer? specialist? lead engineer? principal software engineer? only few ppl reach this part and is 50+ yo
after that then?

if u dont jump out of developer, you are forever struck there.
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Thank you for everyone's answer!
Yes, communication is indeed important.

Well, I am student A and I just accept this offer a few days ago.

Reasons for me to accept the offer are:
1) Good pay
2) I am a terrible coder but I am a relative good communicator among my peers.

However what I want to know is that:
Is it good for a junior like me to start a role in project management? I think at least for IT projects, you need to be proficient in coding and then you can manage a project.

Because I saw some of my father's friends, they started as an engineer when they were in their 20s, then they did some years of field work and slowly became project manager until now. I haven't heard any manager who started his/her career as project management.

Anyone can answer this as well? Thanks!

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Thank you for everyone's answer!
Yes, communication is indeed important.

Well, I am student A and I just accept this offer a few days ago.

Reasons for me to accept the offer are:
1) Good pay
2) I am a terrible coder but I am a relative good communicator among my peers.

However what I want to know is that:
Is it good for a junior like me to start a role in project management? I think at least for IT projects, you need to be proficient in coding and then you can manage a project.

Because I saw some of my father's friends, they started as an engineer when they were in their 20s, then they did some years of field work and slowly became project manager until now. I haven't heard any manager who started his/her career as project management.

Anyone can answer this as well? Thanks!
Is it a role at one of the bulge bracket banks?
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Thank you for everyone's answer!
Yes, communication is indeed important.

Well, I am student A and I just accept this offer a few days ago.

Reasons for me to accept the offer are:
1) Good pay
2) I am a terrible coder but I am a relative good communicator among my peers.

However what I want to know is that:
Is it good for a junior like me to start a role in project management? I think at least for IT projects, you need to be proficient in coding and then you can manage a project.

Because I saw some of my father's friends, they started as an engineer when they were in their 20s, then they did some years of field work and slowly became project manager until now. I haven't heard any manager who started his/her career as project management.

Anyone can answer this as well? Thanks!
i also never heard of any fresh grad do project management..
its either u misunderstood the position description or the interviewer smoking you..

most likely u will be doing low level stuff first.

now im curious which company can offer a biz analyst 4.8k starting pay..

lai share share.
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