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tpj2000 24-01-2016 12:17 PM

Job Satisfaction
 
I have switched about 7 jobs in 10 years. I have seen some good, some bad, some ugly.
Just doing a poll, what give you job happiness.
Good pay?
Good work life?
Good boss n colleague?

I will start first.
I used to be in NCS, Accenture, Panasonic, DB
I think DB is the best till date. Cause depending on which project, you can have good work life flexibility. My boss and me belong to a niche team so he is more of a colleague than a boss.
I think boss is actually the core factor in a job, if the job does not eat into 50% of personal time. Like when I was in Accenture, I sleep 4hr daily. When I was in NCS I was paid 2k. My crazy panasonic boss likes to implement strict controls and tight deadline

Anyone else care to share

Unregistered 24-01-2016 01:53 PM

Most Singaporean are badly paid. Living by our good Asian culture of "low pay better than no pay"
Very hard to have work life balance.

High pay high stress is common.
Low pay less stress is possible not really given

If basic pay cannot influence, then no need say about work life

Unregistered 24-01-2016 02:04 PM

Different people has different priority. It doesn't work for everyone, so you will likely get different answers in here.

From most surveys, Singaporeans say salary is their highest priority. Seems to me they are willing to take any hardship as long as they get a high salary end of the month. They can smile even when they work 18 hours day, under a psychopathic boss.

Some people can handle bad bosses and colleagues better. Probably they know how to play office politics well.

Some people, especially married women, may place work life balance as their top priority, never mind lower salary or terrible environment.

Unregistered 24-01-2016 02:15 PM

When I was a fresh grad 18hr is OK, pay and prospect is priority. I have no life anyway.
Then I grew older, have kids. Work flexibility matters.

A good boss is always a sustainability factor.
Imagine, you want to leave a prospect less job, a good boss will always weigh heavy in the decision making process

Unregistered 24-01-2016 02:30 PM

We are living in there Era of huge competition. Where countries and individual citizens are put to the test.
Job satisfaction has degraded to the level of wage negotiations.

Being a unionless state, what more quality do we expect

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78641)
We are living in there Era of huge competition. Where countries and individual citizens are put to the test.
Job satisfaction has degraded to the level of wage negotiations.

Being a unionless state, what more quality do we expect

70% voted for this! I don't want to hear anymore complaints!

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:10 PM

in any case, are graduate employment survey results accurate? the average for NUS/SMU kids is like 3.5k-ish but job listing nowadays only list 3k for grad positions.

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:35 PM

I worked very hard in my career and was a high flying executive earning big bucks. Today I can retire at the age of just 52 as my fortune is enough to allow me to retire. Many in this forum in their 50s are still struggling at work. My advice to the youngsters here to work hard during your career and you can reap the benefits of early retirement like what I am doing now. Now is the happiest moment of my life.

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78646)
in any case, are graduate employment survey results accurate? the average for NUS/SMU kids is like 3.5k-ish but job listing nowadays only list 3k for grad positions.

There could be some bias. Participation in such surveys is usually voluntary. It could be those who do well and who get good jobs responded to the survey. Those still unemployed or in low paying temporary jobs might have chosen not to respond; they are under-represented.

Thus the results are skewed towards the more optimistic side. Especially if the survey is done by recruitment agencies, they are incentivised to dangle a carrot that is larger than reality to attract people to apply for jobs. Tertiary institutions also tend to play up the employability figures and salaries to show their graduates are highly sought after in the job market, to attract potential students. Even figures provided by government may be massaged or presented in some way to manage public sentiments or for political reasons.

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpj2000 (Post 78625)
I have switched about 7 jobs in 10 years. I have seen some good, some bad, some ugly.
Just doing a poll, what give you job happiness.
Good pay?
Good work life?
Good boss n colleague?

I will start first.
I used to be in NCS, Accenture, Panasonic, DB
I think DB is the best till date. Cause depending on which project, you can have good work life flexibility. My boss and me belong to a niche team so he is more of a colleague than a boss.
I think boss is actually the core factor in a job, if the job does not eat into 50% of personal time. Like when I was in Accenture, I sleep 4hr daily. When I was in NCS I was paid 2k. My crazy panasonic boss likes to implement strict controls and tight deadline

Anyone else care to share

Share what? This whole thread is very vague.

Is this about:

1. How to find job satisfaction?
2. Employment history?
3. Pros and cons, likes and dislikes of each job?
4. What factors are more important (or less important) for staying in a job?

Unregistered 24-01-2016 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78651)
There could be some bias. Participation in such surveys is usually voluntary. It could be those who do well and who get good jobs responded to the survey. Those still unemployed or in low paying temporary jobs might have chosen not to respond; they are under-represented.

Thus the results are skewed towards the more optimistic side. Especially if the survey is done by recruitment agencies, they are incentivised to dangle a carrot that is larger than reality to attract people to apply for jobs. Tertiary institutions also tend to play up the employability figures and salaries to show their graduates are highly sought after in the job market, to attract potential students. Even figures provided by government may be massaged or presented in some way to manage public sentiments or for political reasons.

Very true.
Statistics are tools to the users of the tool.

The average wage of Singapore is 3200, and if you get 5200, you are in the top 50 percentile. (source mom wage survey). But when smrt want to raise fare, they use another figure base on another statistics (doesn't the mot and mom coordinate??) they even engage bcg Mc to show the correlation of wage and fare (eyes rolling)

Unregistered 24-01-2016 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78650)
I worked very hard in my career and was a high flying executive earning big bucks. Today I can retire at the age of just 52 as my fortune is enough to allow me to retire. Many in this forum in their 50s are still struggling at work. My advice to the youngsters here to work hard during your career and you can reap the benefits of early retirement like what I am doing now. Now is the happiest moment of my life.


What defines a high flyer?
Is earning big bucks the means to the end or the end of the end


If a person a does not have a spectacular academic background, can he be a high flyer?
Is cert above merit
Without a good cert, will you get the entrusted position to be a flyer
What about the below 70% cert holder, sell kway tiao?

tpj2000 24-01-2016 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78652)
Share what? This whole thread is very vague.

Is this about:

1. How to find job satisfaction?
2. Employment history?
3. Pros and cons, likes and dislikes of each job?
4. What factors are more important (or less important) for staying in a job?

No. 4. Please

Unregistered 24-01-2016 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78654)
What defines a high flyer?
Is earning big bucks the means to the end or the end of the end


If a person a does not have a spectacular academic background, can he be a high flyer?
Is cert above merit
Without a good cert, will you get the entrusted position to be a flyer
What about the below 70% cert holder, sell kway tiao?

You should fry his 'kway tiao'

Unregistered 24-01-2016 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78653)
Very true.
Statistics are tools to the users of the tool.

The average wage of Singapore is 3200, and if you get 5200, you are in the top 50 percentile. (source mom wage survey). But when smrt want to raise fare, they use another figure base on another statistics (doesn't the mot and mom coordinate??) they even engage bcg Mc to show the correlation of wage and fare (eyes rolling)

Which statistic do they use, don't mind sharing?

Unregistered 24-01-2016 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78657)
Which statistic do they use, don't mind sharing?

Found it. I think it's the Consumer Price Index (CPI).

Quote:

The recommended revised fare formula is as follows:
Fare Adjustment = Price Index – Productivity Extraction
where Price Index = 0.4 cCPI + 0.4 WI + 0.2 EI
://.mot.gov.sg/news/FRMC%20Report%201%20Nov.pdf

Unregistered 24-01-2016 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78651)
There could be some bias. Participation in such surveys is usually voluntary. It could be those who do well and who get good jobs responded to the survey. Those still unemployed or in low paying temporary jobs might have chosen not to respond; they are under-represented.

Thus the results are skewed towards the more optimistic side. Especially if the survey is done by recruitment agencies, they are incentivised to dangle a carrot that is larger than reality to attract people to apply for jobs. Tertiary institutions also tend to play up the employability figures and salaries to show their graduates are highly sought after in the job market, to attract potential students. Even figures provided by government may be massaged or presented in some way to manage public sentiments or for political reasons.

true that figures can be massaged but the typical response rate for GES is ~90%. isn't that rather representative of the true performance of the cohort already? trying to bridge the disconnect between GES results and what's offered on the mkt nowadays

Unregistered 24-01-2016 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78665)
true that figures can be massaged but the typical response rate for GES is ~90%. isn't that rather representative of the true performance of the cohort already? trying to bridge the disconnect between GES results and what's offered on the mkt nowadays

It's not 90%, more of closer to 75%.

But yes, still a rather high %.

Unregistered 25-01-2016 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78653)
Very true.
Statistics are tools to the users of the tool.

The average wage of Singapore is 3200, and if you get 5200, you are in the top 50 percentile. (source mom wage survey). But when smrt want to raise fare, they use another figure base on another statistics (doesn't the mot and mom coordinate??) they even engage bcg Mc to show the correlation of wage and fare (eyes rolling)

One statistics per ministry, adjust accordingly

Unregistered 25-01-2016 02:37 PM

This is a good thread. We should focus more on quality of job.

I am 56 and semi retired (please don't fry my kway tiao)
I am in construction. I earn less than 1000 when I started, now about 8000 +/-.
To me, kids already big. Money has less value.

One incident struck me was,
I realise Singaporean youngsters are very driven, while Malaysian are more contented. Although the Malaysians are paid maybe up to 1k lesser but they are happier. They make lesser job hops and stay in one place for 5-7years. I guess we Singaporean put too much stress into ourselves. If we don't get pay raise or promotion, we take it very seriously.

Unregistered 25-01-2016 03:28 PM

Are you running your own construction business with that kind of income?

Unregistered 25-01-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78735)
Are you running your own construction business with that kind of income?

I am with a stats board related enterprise

Unregistered 26-01-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 78749)
I am with a stats board related enterprise

Similar to my dad? You work in HDB?

Unregistered 31-01-2016 10:45 PM

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