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hauntedd 14-11-2015 02:31 AM

Process Technician (Senior) in Pharmaceutical industry
 
Ok i'll list everything in point forms to make it easy to read

1) Got job offer through agency since its my first full time job
2) Senior Process technician role @ Kaneka (They mentioned job title is senior even though they are recruiting fresh grads)
3) Fresh poly graduate, completed NS, studied sciences.



What is the pay scheme i'm looking at?

I'm being offered $1.9k basic + $140 allowance + $X shift allowance. Agent said max 2.4k a month.


What do you guys think?

Unregistered 14-11-2015 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hauntedd (Post 75122)
Ok i'll list everything in point forms to make it easy to read

1) Got job offer through agency since its my first full time job
2) Senior Process technician role @ Kaneka (They mentioned job title is senior even though they are recruiting fresh grads)
3) Fresh poly graduate, completed NS, studied sciences.



What is the pay scheme i'm looking at?

I'm being offered $1.9k basic + $140 allowance + $X shift allowance. Agent said max 2.4k a month.


What do you guys think?

standard poly pay lor. unless u work crazy night shift most likely wont hit 2.4k one lah. how much is the bonus?

Unregistered 14-11-2015 09:53 AM

Very good start. I've got much less

hauntedd 14-11-2015 11:41 AM

Im asking only because i don't know if the agent is taking some of my money or if thats what the company offered. Agency said no fees etc, will know more info when if i accept and sign contract with them. Is it possible to ask for a swap from agency to direct company after working there for awhile?

Unregistered 14-11-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedd (Post 75131)
Im asking only because i don't know if the agent is taking some of my money or if thats what the company offered. Agency said no fees etc, will know more info when if i accept and sign contract with them. Is it possible to ask for a swap from agency to direct company after working there for awhile?

So you are not actually hired by the pharma company but by the agency?

Then of course agency will take a cut, but that makes you a contractor for the agency, not an employee of the pharma co.

Most of the time the contract between the client and the agency will prohibit the client from transferring the agency contractor to their own headcount. Otherwise everyone just pull the stunt - get the contractor then dump the agency.

Anyway one of the selling points of using an agency is to be flexible so that companies can maintain lean headcount. Very unlikely the same company will suddenly put you under their payroll and jeopardize their plans.

Unregistered 14-11-2015 09:26 PM

if ur hired by the agency then u will follow the agency pay scheme & benefit instead of the pharmacy company

hauntedd 15-11-2015 01:50 AM

I got the job through jobcentral, the company got the agency to do the recruiting. Its the typical XXXX job up to $XXX salary adverts you see. I will be signing the contract with the agency and the company itself. Interview was done by the company just like a normal job etc.


So you're telling me now i'm considered a contractor for the agency? So i'm officially not employed under the company? Does this mean i don't get company benefits or? Is this the case for all jobs under agency?

Also is there any rule stating that you cannot swap to the company directly after a certain period of time? Obviously under table stuff, agency mentioned gotta do that job min 3 months, after that can i quit and join the company itself?

Unregistered 15-11-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedd (Post 75187)
I got the job through jobcentral, the company got the agency to do the recruiting. Its the typical XXXX job up to $XXX salary adverts you see. I will be signing the contract with the agency and the company itself. Interview was done by the company just like a normal job etc.


So you're telling me now i'm considered a contractor for the agency? So i'm officially not employed under the company? Does this mean i don't get company benefits or? Is this the case for all jobs under agency?

Also is there any rule stating that you cannot swap to the company directly after a certain period of time? Obviously under table stuff, agency mentioned gotta do that job min 3 months, after that can i quit and join the company itself?

It depends on your employment letter. Most of the contractor agency work by signing a contract with the agency and another supplement contract saying you are seconded by the agency to the employer. Interview will be done by the employer cauz they at least have to like you before they allow the agency to contract you to them.

Your payroll and main employment letter has to be from the employer itself, otherwise you are considered a contractor from the agency.

Under the table stuff only happens for middle & above level positions, no employer is going to jeopardize the relationship with the agency and expose themselves to lawsuits for a entry level blue collar worker. Industry practice is you must quit the agency & cool off for 6 months before the employer can hire you direct.

First thing you should do is to clarify whether your headcount is the employer or the agency side. And join on the basis that you are ok with the 1.9k + 140 package, don't fantasize about the company pulling stunt on your behalf to up your pay after a few months, nobody will be bothered to do such things for a poly freshie technician.

Unregistered 15-11-2015 11:05 PM

Typical shift allowance should range from 600 to 1000. The offer isnt good at all if you do the sum.

Unregistered 16-11-2015 04:05 PM

if u find the pay ok then accept, if not just reject. why keep thinking of doing under the table things like terminating contract then secretly getting back the job!? u just finish ns got no exp or skills, who is going to entertain u for such childish crap?

plz wake up in the working world. this is not school or ns where u happy happy chut pattern here & there.

hauntedd 17-11-2015 11:17 AM

Wow, someone's a salty little baddie. Typical singaporean mindset, no respect for anyone younger than them, you only consider age and work experience as everything. Sorry to say things change, this is not 1970s where everyone needs to have a bad experience working or force yourself to mature the moment you get your first job.

Yes you gotta be more mature, but not as salty as you. I suggest you calm down and try to be constructive or say nothing at all. Easy to say anything you want when hiding behind an unregistered account.

Unregistered 17-11-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedd (Post 75303)
Wow, someone's a salty little baddie. Typical singaporean mindset, no respect for anyone younger than them, you only consider age and work experience as everything. Sorry to say things change, this is not 1970s where everyone needs to have a bad experience working or force yourself to mature the moment you get your first job.

Yes you gotta be more mature, but not as salty as you. I suggest you calm down and try to be constructive or say nothing at all. Easy to say anything you want when hiding behind an unregistered account.

So have you found out what exactly is the nature of your contract and what are your considerations?

You aren't exactly being very mature about this by choosing to get all emo ranting over some random rude post and not following up with any useful updates or additional info for others to advise you.

Personally my take is quite similar to the guy above though I won't be rude. You should really just try to get a few basics contractual matters right and try to approach this properly instead of trying to pull tricks to game the recruitment system when you haven't actually even started work.

This has nothing to do with being young or stuck in the 1970s. What you are suggesting TBH is really quite amateurish and has no chance of succeeding in real life. No HR is going to do under table deals with a freshman technician just 3 months into a job.

My 2c.

Unregistered 17-11-2015 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 75313)
So have you found out what exactly is the nature of your contract and what are your considerations?

You aren't exactly being very mature about this by choosing to get all emo ranting over some random rude post and not following up with any useful updates or additional info for others to advise you.

Personally my take is quite similar to the guy above though I won't be rude. You should really just try to get a few basics contractual matters right and try to approach this properly instead of trying to pull tricks to game the recruitment system when you haven't actually even started work.

This has nothing to do with being young or stuck in the 1970s. What you are suggesting TBH is really quite amateurish and has no chance of succeeding in real life. No HR is going to do under table deals with a freshman technician just 3 months into a job.

My 2c.

poly ppl are more street smart can think out of the box. only idiot bookworms everything only know how to follow orders like robot.

hauntedd 17-11-2015 11:13 PM

Yes i've already met them up and found out information about it. I'll be under the company directly so probably the agent isnt taking a monthly cut from my pay, the company will pay the servicing fee.

About the under table part, that's a genuine question. I've heard about it happening for part time jobs, but none for full time jobs yet. That's why i asked. The answer could be a simple yes or no, i don't understand why people have to start telling me to grow up or try to downgrade me and try to put me in my place. Respect is something many lack here i guess?

So from what i've read so far, the answer is no, the HR won't jeopardize any relationship with the agent and do that. Thank you, that's all i needed to know for now.

Unregistered 17-11-2015 11:47 PM

yucks 1.9k for a techie is so low... i was drawing 1.8k in my first job after finishing ns and thats like close to 10 years ago. too many competition from foreign workers now.

Unregistered 18-11-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 75329)
yucks 1.9k for a techie is so low... i was drawing 1.8k in my first job after finishing ns and thats like close to 10 years ago. too many competition from foreign workers now.

Diploma starting pay has stagnated for the last 15 years actually. Even degree also barely kept up with inflation.


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