payscheme of GLCs

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I think this statement is way too optmistic. An average performer (C+ or equivalent) almost no chance of reaching DD in the public healthcare space in 20 years.

I used to be from CGH. If you look at the people who have stayed there long enough and currently in their early to mid 40s (i.e.~20 yrs exp), how many DDs do you see? I see about 80% of them stuck in Manager or Senior Manager equivalent ranks. Even AD there is pretty rare compared to ministries where a deg grad can probably get it by mid 30s.

Unless you are some scholar / hipo parachuteer, you need to perform above average consistenly to get your AD in 20 years. For DD you will need to be TOP performer + lots of good luck to get that in 20 years.

Ok thanks for the insights. So similar to government/statboard, scholars get promote first right?
So an average farmer in healthcare GLCs isit comparable to average farmer in ministry/SB?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

After Manager comes Senior Manager, then Assistant Director, then Deputy Director, then Director. Of course it may not be the same throughout the different clusters, but you get my drift.

In no way is a manager a superscale equivalent in public sector. Only when you reach Director level then its considered superscale.

Not all depts under Administration have directors. The highest status is usually senior manager, and that happens if you are in the service for 20 yrs or so. Healthcare is abit different from the typical public service agencies in the sense that directorial positions are usually occupied by medical doctors themselves, who heads the strategic direction of the hospital. It's not easy to reach senior manager and above for most people, which is why I did not include in my original post.

In summary, if you are going to join the public health insitutuion as a admin support staff, be prepared to end you career as a manager or in the best case scenario senior manager...

For me is thanks but no thanks.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Ok thanks for the insights. So similar to government/statboard, scholars get promote first right?
So an average farmer in healthcare GLCs isit comparable to average farmer in ministry/SB?

In terms of pay it will definitely be lower I think. Starting difference still not that bad maybe 10-15% lower, but because career progression is so limited in a support function at health institution, by mid-career 40s & above the difference is very big.

Average farmer in civil service would be a SAD drawing 8-9k on a 16-17 months package whereas in public healthcare you will likely end up as a team lead or small dept manager drawing 5-6k on a 15+ months package. Do the maths and you realise average mid 40s civil servant on MX is about 70+% higher than his counterpart in hospital.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

In terms of pay it will definitely be lower I think. Starting difference still not that bad maybe 10-15% lower, but because career progression is so limited in a support function at health institution, by mid-career 40s & above the difference is very big.

Average farmer in civil service would be a SAD drawing 8-9k on a 16-17 months package whereas in public healthcare you will likely end up as a team lead or small dept manager drawing 5-6k on a 15+ months package. Do the maths and you realise average mid 40s civil servant on MX is about 70+% higher than his counterpart in hospital.

Wow...that a big difference!
Anyone can help to validate this?
Thanks

the problem is not hospital pay too low, but civil service pay too high IMO.

think about it, as long as u get a degree and dun screw up anywhere big time, it is almost guaranteed to get at least a AD or SAD if u stay long enough. monthly by itself is already quite good, add in the almost guarantee will get something bonus, add in the iron rice bowl, work life balance etc. the whole deal is much better than what the pte sector get.

sure pte sector has higher ceiling, farmer also can be a hot shot drawing >200k a year, but the average middle age PME probably gets like ~100k annual, some part of it in bonus that when times are bad can easily drop to 0, have to face pay cuts, retrench, replace by hostile FT boss etc.

From my experience, a non-scholar average officer in his or her 4Os in the civil service would get around 7k monthly. And an above average performer would get around 8-10k. I understand that there would be different views on "average". My definition of average performer is one who usually gets a C grade. A top-performing officer should be drawing more than 10k by his 40s.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

the problem is not hospital pay too low, but civil service pay too high IMO.

think about it, as long as u get a degree and dun screw up anywhere big time, it is almost guaranteed to get at least a AD or SAD if u stay long enough. monthly by itself is already quite good, add in the almost guarantee will get something bonus, add in the iron rice bowl, work life balance etc. the whole deal is much better than what the pte sector get.

sure pte sector has higher ceiling, farmer also can be a hot shot drawing >200k a year, but the average middle age PME probably gets like ~100k annual, some part of it in bonus that when times are bad can easily drop to 0, have to face pay cuts, retrench, replace by hostile FT boss etc.

Healthcare GLCs ..i tot the pay shld be peg to MOH, HSA, etc abielt lower...
But i didnt expect the drastic differences in pay...Anyone working long enough in healthcare GLCs for admin roles can validate?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Healthcare GLCs ..i tot the pay shld be peg to MOH, HSA, etc abielt lower...
But i didnt expect the drastic differences in pay...Anyone working long enough in healthcare GLCs for admin roles can validate?

GLCs in general are paid lower than civil service... You have to be quite good in GLC to reach associate director or snr manager level.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

GLCs in general are paid lower than civil service... You have to be quite good in GLC to reach associate director or snr manager level.

Ok....anyone else working in healthcare GLCs willing to contribute more insights?