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almostironman 27-06-2014 02:12 AM

Private Degree accepted in Govt Jobs / Public Sector?
 
Anyone here currently working in govt/public sector with a private degree?

I heard they only accept local uni grads and pte degree are treated as diploma lvl, & only some stat boards hire pte. Is that true?
What's the average starting pay for private degrees (SIM/UOL/RMIT etc) in govt sector?
Please share...

Unregistered 27-06-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by almostironman (Post 52765)
Anyone here currently working in govt/public sector with a private degree?

I heard they only accept local uni grads and pte degree are treated as diploma lvl, & only some stat boards hire pte. Is that true?
What's the average starting pay for private degrees (SIM/UOL/RMIT etc) in govt sector?
Please share...

Its very very rare to find private degree holders in ministry. Stat boards are easier so you should aim for that instead.

I have seen some private degree holders in the ministry/stat boards but they did NOT come in as fresh grads. Either they came in much earlier as poly grads, then were recommended to upgrade themselves by getting a part-time degree or they came in mid-career.

I wouldnt say its impossible, just extremely hard to enter as a private degree holder. The poly grads that come in and were recommended to upgrade after a few years were only allowed to pursue courses from Unisim, the others were not recognised.

You should try your hand at private sector, dont waste your time in public sector, you will not get in.

Unregistered 27-06-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by almostironman (Post 52765)
Anyone here currently working in govt/public sector with a private degree?

I heard they only accept local uni grads and pte degree are treated as diploma lvl, & only some stat boards hire pte. Is that true?
What's the average starting pay for private degrees (SIM/UOL/RMIT etc) in govt sector?
Please share...

yup, speaking from experience. it is a very very low chance that you will get called up for an interview in public sector.

most of the big GLCs will take in pte students, eg SQ, SATS, Sembcorp, Keppel, ST....

however you can save your effort filling up the long and tedious forms for the newer ones like CAG because the management is relatively fresh out of the civil service and have not shed their elitist mindset.

true story, from mine and my sister's own experiences.

Unregistered 27-06-2014 10:41 PM

private graduates still can try those front-end jobs in ministries/ stat boards like MOM or IRAS though. There's still chance to get in if your diploma or O/A lvls good enough to impress, together with good academic results in university.

100sheets 28-06-2014 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 52792)
private graduates still can try those front-end jobs in ministries/ stat boards like MOM or IRAS though. There's still chance to get in if your diploma or O/A lvls good enough to impress, together with good academic results in university.

why bother when you have better opportunities in the private sector?

Unregistered 28-06-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 100sheets (Post 52799)
why bother when you have better opportunities in the private sector?

hits and misses.. many MNCs nowadays don't come near to civil service pays. that is why every local fresh grad nowadays only aim to join the comfy civil service and the private sector is forced to turn to FTs.

although i am not a local grad but i must say not all foreign grads are the same. although some foreign uni grads (excluding the top tier units) are on par, if not exceeding a local grad but many others are really cmi. hence again MNCs have to turn to the 3rd rate FTs from C, P, I mainly.

Unregistered 28-06-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 52806)
hits and misses.. many MNCs nowadays don't come near to civil service pays. that is why every local fresh grad nowadays only aim to join the comfy civil service and the private sector is forced to turn to FTs.

although i am not a local grad but i must say not all foreign grads are the same. although some foreign uni grads (excluding the top tier units) are on par, if not exceeding a local grad but many others are really cmi. hence again MNCs have to turn to the 3rd rate FTs from C, P, I mainly.

Dont bother about the public sector. Yes, starting salaries are high. But promotions are slow and you will get nowhere if you are not scholar material. I have seen non-scholars fly up to AD positions quickly but if you are not as good as them, you will be stuck. Private sector has a higher chance of success. Yes, your starting salary may be low, but in a few years time, you can easily beat your peers that chose the public sector route.

Hermit 28-06-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by almostironman (Post 52765)
Anyone here currently working in govt/public sector with a private degree?

I heard they only accept local uni grads and pte degree are treated as diploma lvl, & only some stat boards hire pte. Is that true?
What's the average starting pay for private degrees (SIM/UOL/RMIT etc) in govt sector?
Please share...

Go private. Unless you have absolutely no choice.

almostironman 28-06-2014 10:57 PM

Thanks for sharing, I shall try my luck at both sectors..

100sheets 29-06-2014 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 52820)
Dont bother about the public sector. Yes, starting salaries are high. But promotions are slow and you will get nowhere if you are not scholar material. I have seen non-scholars fly up to AD positions quickly but if you are not as good as them, you will be stuck. Private sector has a higher chance of success. Yes, your starting salary may be low, but in a few years time, you can easily beat your peers that chose the public sector route.

especially true for distance learning grads.

Unregistered 20-07-2017 10:57 PM

Times have changed. I work in a stat board tt treats all degree equally- local or Pte no difference. In fact, CEP of Pte degree holders are really on par as local degree holders. So keep searching!

kukawat 22-07-2017 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 98859)
Times have changed. I work in a stat board tt treats all degree equally- local or Pte no difference. In fact, CEP of Pte degree holders are really on par as local degree holders. So keep searching!

this guy speaks the truth. many private degrees holders doing well in stat boards.

of course, avoid the elite ones la...MFA officer...MAS SENIOR DIRECTOR OF POLICY (btw those are president scholar types...local uni undergrad 1:1 or some lucky 2:1 can get in).

if you go on linknedin and see everyone in that role is from ucl oxford or cornell or president scholar then dont waste time la.

Unregistered 23-07-2017 07:23 PM

i hold a private degree n am working in a stat board, i'm treated equally like other local uni grads

a degree is just a piece of paper

Unregistered 25-07-2017 05:19 PM

You must first get the job at a govt agency before you will be treated equally with local degree grads.

Now that the Govt is forced to treat private degree holders equally after they land a job, they are a lot more selective at the stage of giving you the job. Private degree holders find it v v hard to get into govt agencies.

kukawat 26-07-2017 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 98941)
You must first get the job at a govt agency before you will be treated equally with local degree grads.

Now that the Govt is forced to treat private degree holders equally after they land a job, they are a lot more selective at the stage of giving you the job. Private degree holders find it v v hard to get into govt agencies.

i am singaporean indian, many of my indian friends are working in govt sector with private degrees. with experience and skills of course.

by the way, now degree and non degree are on same track in govt sector. it is time to update yourself.

Unregistered 26-07-2017 05:30 PM

Just to share an encouraging anecdote: I was previously in a stat board for several years and at one period I told my supervisor I needed a temp staff to help me with my workload. He agreed and HR shortlisted a few candidates. The one who received the offer was in her early 20s, did comms in ITE and is currently doing part-time studies at Kaplan. Not to sound elitist but she turned out to be a better worker than expected (probably from her comms background which enhanced her writing and comprehension skills). After ~6 months of working, my supervisor decided to convert her to perm - equivalent to an executive assistant role - which of course she was more than willing to accept.

So I think the public service is open to qualifications other than your standard local degrees, just that you need to be given an opportunity to show your substance and be rewarded in kind.

Sierra 26-02-2018 11:45 AM

Been applying a few SBs like NAC,NHB and HDB since january with my private degree and haven't been getting any responses.

Those with private degree and in SBs, mind sharing which SB you are in and what scope of work you are doing? i.e engineering, admin, CS

Would definitely appreciate it.

Unregistered 26-02-2018 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sierra (Post 105017)
Been applying a few SBs like NAC,NHB and HDB since january with my private degree and haven't been getting any responses.

Those with private degree and in SBs, mind sharing which SB you are in and what scope of work you are doing? i.e engineering, admin, CS

Would definitely appreciate it.

The SBs you are applying to are from different ministries with quite different portfolios. What are the positions you have applied for? High priority for specialised positions is relevant experience, if not relevant field of study.

Konfidant 26-02-2018 07:19 PM

It's definitely doable. I got a private (overseas?) degree from UMelb, and was employed by a Ministry almost fresh out of school. I don't think the discrimination against private/overseas degree holders exists anymore.

Sierra 01-03-2018 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 105037)
The SBs you are applying to are from different ministries with quite different portfolios. What are the positions you have applied for? High priority for specialised positions is relevant experience, if not relevant field of study.

Applied for general administration for arts position in NAC and NHB. While HDB applied for Estate manager role.

I currently hold a local diploma and a Private degree in Bachelor of Arts (1st class).

Unregistered 20-01-2021 06:13 PM

Private sector will still, if necessary, tolerate and exploit SIM trash, then fire them once their usefulness has expired. This is due to relentless turnover rate.

Government must have some kind of standard. SIM trash are not to be accepted under any circumstances.

#simdegreesmatter

Unregistered 20-01-2021 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154580)
LOL those reflexes by legendary satki SIM warrior 😂

Your mom ask me why she give birth to failure. Graduate from SIM then spend everyday browsing linkedin and boasting about 4k starting salary (no need to reveal specifics)

I say some people are just born with less creases in their brain, while I fk her from doggy position 😂

#satkisimwarrior

So pathetic.

#dbsreject #localunitrash

Unregistered 20-01-2021 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154583)
So pathetic.

#dbsreject #localunitrash

My SIM doggy :D

#simdoggy
#4ksalarynospecifics

Unregistered 20-01-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154587)
The fact that you didnít bombed your As, made it to NUS, studied 4 years, failed to convert & all you have to brag about is applying to DBS GA (3.8k).

Again, even SIM grads in ACN are doing better than you (provided you can even beg your way back to DBS to find yourself shoulder-to-shoulder to SIM-UOL grads in the GA programme). Keep coping.

Apt reminder.

Unregistered 20-01-2021 09:10 PM

Fking this mother then she tell me her son failure go SIM lel I laughed too hard

Dis joker 4k salary no need to reveal specifics some more LMAO

#simdegreesmatter

Unregistered 20-01-2021 10:02 PM

Triggered local uni kid spotted

Unregistered 20-01-2021 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154609)
Triggered local uni kid spotted

And yet SIM warrior reflexes of a god ahahahaha

#simdegreesmatter

Unregistered 21-01-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154622)
And yet SIM warrior reflexes of a god ahahahaha

#simdegreesmatter

U might want to post in multiple threads, see if this simge kia really so persistent to find and reply all LOL that would be hilarious

Unregistered 21-01-2021 03:15 PM

Cry. Keep coping :(

Unregistered 21-01-2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154701)
Cry. Keep coping :(

I cope by fking ur mother. Can? :D

#simdoggy

Unregistered 21-01-2021 03:17 PM

#85rpcleaner #prayforautistwang

Unregistered 21-01-2021 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154704)
#85rpcleaner #prayforautistwang

#4ksalarynospecifics
#satkisimwarrior

Unregistered 21-01-2021 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 154707)
LOL at your level reveal specifics for what? Your level is local bank/ACN bracket (provided you even land the 3.8k job). Plenty and I mean PLENTY of SIM grads have done that before 🤣

Get your c*ck out of your momís mouth and start accepting the fact that youíre infatuated with us bro. Itís a good thing, you can learn from our success stories. How we managed to land >4K entry-level positions (BBs, Big Tech, F500) despite paying cheaper fees, flunking our diploma/As and having a less recognised cert.

Might be my hairy man legs, idk 🤷

Why are you still crying?


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