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Old 13-10-2021, 11:26 AM
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I happened to chance upon your post and Iím in the exact same position as you. I was advised by my SLs to stay another year until the next intake just based on the one lesson observation they graded me on, which I felt was very unfair. Also, I felt like my way of teaching was not what MOE was looking for. I felt like they were trying to mould me into an authoritarian, which I really disliked since I was teaching lower primary and I could tell how tired and afraid they were of the teachers who scolded them for every tiny matter.

I ultimately decided to resign before entering NIE. The 3 year bond seems too much and too risky. I did not want to be a teacher who just settles and ends up being one of those teachers who have no zeal and just does their job for the sake of surviving.

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Using an anon account for obvious reasons. Some context: I'm currently an untrained teacher in MOE, and I'm already thinking about leaving the fraternity as I was told that I would not be going to NIE in December and I would have to serve as a contract teacher for another year.

This was on top of a lack of notifications from MOE in 2020 regarding my application. I had he interview in 2019, waited an entire year for a confirmation, and started in mid year. Stalled my own life plans for that, and now I'm told that I'd have to wait another year to get into NIE.

Three main push factors for me now:

1. The further wait of 1 year. This means that I will only go into NIE at the end of next year, serve a year of studies, and THEN become a basic teacher 2 years later. The environment I'm in is good, but I just can't stomach another year of forestalled progress when I have so many ideas of my own for my own business after doing a mid career switch.

2. The rigours. Don't get me wrong, I love teaching and it is my calling. If not for the students, I think I would have already killed myself. What they say about teacher stress is true. I'm already mentally weaker due to abuse when I was young, and the stress is something that I (admittedly) cannot handle.

3. Social anxiety is causing me to really struggle with interacting with my office colleagues, although that is somewhat mitigated due to my previous work experience.

So I was wondering, any fellow UTs resigned from their contracts before going to NIE? I would love to hear from you.

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Old 01-11-2021, 12:43 PM
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Have applied for 2 times / 2 years (once a year window) and haven't been successful

Left service in 2012 and have been doing FAJT and now as CAJT,still it's never easy to rejoin
Hi, would you mind sharing how long you were an FAJT before transitioning to CAJT?

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This job teaches me how nasty human being can be. As a student, I had classmates who were snakes and fabricated things to get me into trouble and the teacher sided them without asking me. Years later, I became a teacher having met inspiring ones later in my student life. The same peers I struggled with, now I have colleagues like that.

People will stop at nothing to make you look bad and smear your character. Usually the ones who get it are the convenient targets who are more opinionated and willing to speak up against nonsensical policies and directions. It all starts from the ranking system. This would be the bunch who will be sacrificed conveniently at the ranking exercise.

There are teachers in good books who make mistakes but are still well liked by the management. The scapegoats will be sacrificed to protect the ones whom are deemed of value to the organisation because they wayang enough and are always embracing whatever management says. If you can angkat enough, you are safe.

I guess it is the same for a lot of workplaces but there are workplaces which doesnít follow such a culture. Not saying being cynical is right, but being honest in your opinion will get you into trouble. Thw consequence of even a C-, much less a D and so on, is too punitive. Oneís career takes a hit once you fall into C- and below. Even a C hardly will carry you far. If you want to climb, minimally i think a C+ is necessary.

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This job teaches me how nasty human being can be. As a student, I had classmates who were snakes and fabricated things to get me into trouble and the teacher sided them without asking me. Years later, I became a teacher having met inspiring ones later in my student life. The same peers I struggled with, now I have colleagues like that.

People will stop at nothing to make you look bad and smear your character. Usually the ones who get it are the convenient targets who are more opinionated and willing to speak up against nonsensical policies and directions. It all starts from the ranking system. This would be the bunch who will be sacrificed conveniently at the ranking exercise.

There are teachers in good books who make mistakes but are still well liked by the management. The scapegoats will be sacrificed to protect the ones whom are deemed of value to the organisation because they wayang enough and are always embracing whatever management says. If you can angkat enough, you are safe.

I guess it is the same for a lot of workplaces but there are workplaces which doesnít follow such a culture. Not saying being cynical is right, but being honest in your opinion will get you into trouble. Thw consequence of even a C-, much less a D and so on, is too punitive. Oneís career takes a hit once you fall into C- and below. Even a C hardly will carry you far. If you want to climb, minimally i think a C+ is necessary.

sounds like any other job out there
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Old 20-11-2021, 09:16 AM
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sounds like any other job out there
But none of the other jobs out there hold you to such high moral standards as teaching does DUH.
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Old 21-11-2021, 06:07 AM
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I happened to chance upon your post and Iím in the exact same position as you. I was advised by my SLs to stay another year until the next intake just based on the one lesson observation they graded me on, which I felt was very unfair. Also, I felt like my way of teaching was not what MOE was looking for. I felt like they were trying to mould me into an authoritarian, which I really disliked since I was teaching lower primary and I could tell how tired and afraid they were of the teachers who scolded them for every tiny matter.

I ultimately decided to resign before entering NIE. The 3 year bond seems too much and too risky. I did not want to be a teacher who just settles and ends up being one of those teachers who have no zeal and just does their job for the sake of surviving.
Forestalling a contract teacherís entry to NIE seems to be the standard practice across the board. I had read/heard that it was because schools didnít have enough staff and that was the real reason. I also feel that holding an untrained teacher behind for another year is not helpful since he or she would be teaching in his or her untrained ways. If you need a teacher to be more experienced before he or she goes to NIE, doesnít that mean NIE is useless?

When I was an untrained teacher, I was due to enter NIE in July and was deployed to a school to teach in Feb before that. After observing an untrained lesson with a rudimentary lesson plan, my sup said she thought it better for me to stay for another year. Fortunately for me, the letter from MOE came, asking the school to release me for NIE training, before my sup could make her recommendation to the school.

Prior to me entering the service as an untrained teacher, the interviewers asked me why I had turned down the offer to teach 3 times before. I replied that those offers had stipulated that I teach for a year before entering NIE but I didnít want to make too many mistakes before going for the training. Not sure if that helped or if that was the reason I was sent a letter prior to the schoolís recommendation.
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Read thru the thread and realised everyone is different with different aspirations. There are some who left the teaching industry and want to return, and there are some who left and happier elsewhere. Seems like as humans, it is hard to find something that really satisfies us?

Anyway, I was an UT for a short period, left because I was very overwhelmed. Now, I am thinking that it may be because I did not manage my expectations of myself well. (Am a perfectionist, sees things in black and white - which is not helpful for any industry at all) But I still enjoy certain aspects of teaching and some of the mundane tasks like keying in marks, writing progress reports etc. I worked from 7am - 6pm, 8/9pm - 11pm/12am on weekdays, and at least 4-8 hours on one weekend too - hence felt terribly overworked (could be that I wanted to do too many things well lolol, and bad at time management too).

Hence, wanna ask fellow ex-moe teachers, is there a possibility that with experience, the working hours will be better? I am ok to work 7am - 6pm but I do wish that when I return home, I can spend time home with my kids in peace. Spending a few hours during 1 weekend to prepare is fine too! How were your working hours experience and did it get better? And how did you manage difficult behaviours? I felt useless/helpless when I wanted to help them but they kept disrupting the class and I felt like I barely taught anything in my 2 periods lesson etc.

I am considering to apply back because it is still something I can see myself doing in the LT if I dont put so much pressure on myself. My degree is in the finance sector. Also, do u know if I can still get an entry level finance job (any idea what I can consider?) despite graduating for 6 years?


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Currently an FAJT for a year already. Iím interested to return full time.

1) Do i need to apply as CAJT before getting emplaced?

2) How easy/difficult is it to get emplacement?


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I was full-time teacher for 6 years before I left service to take on a job offer in an outside industry (where I was initially from before I joined teaching at first). 2 years into the new job, I realised that teaching was really my calling and I shouldn't have left.

So I re-applied to MOE rejoin the full-time service. It was HELL. Rejection after rejection. I sucked it in and applied to join as FAJT. Again, rejected multiple times before finally getting a call from a school to join as FAJT, which I did.

After 3 years of serving as FAJT, I applied to be reinstated as a permanent teacher. Finally I was granted as an interview and was accepted for the job. To get to that interview is very hard. I worked my ass off as an FAJT, and spoke to my Principal about my intention to return to Permanent scheme, and even spoke to my former Principal, who supported the application.

However, MOE did not place me on Permanent estab straight. Instead, I was placed on this scheme called "Local Contract" - slightly different from Contract Adjunct - basically everything a permanent teacher does, not bound to a contract of 1 - 1.5 years like CAJT, BUT no connect plan. Salary was somewhat equivalent to my last drawn salary in MOE as a teacher on Permanent scheme.

After 2 years of serving this Local Contract scheme, I was finally re-emplaced on Permanent scheme after 4 years of trying.
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I was full-time teacher for 6 years before I left service to take on a job offer in an outside industry (where I was initially from before I joined teaching at first). 2 years into the new job, I realised that teaching was really my calling and I shouldn't have left.

So I re-applied to MOE rejoin the full-time service. It was HELL. Rejection after rejection. I sucked it in and applied to join as FAJT. Again, rejected multiple times before finally getting a call from a school to join as FAJT, which I did.

After 3 years of serving as FAJT, I applied to be reinstated as a permanent teacher. Finally I was granted as an interview and was accepted for the job. To get to that interview is very hard. I worked my ass off as an FAJT, and spoke to my Principal about my intention to return to Permanent scheme, and even spoke to my former Principal, who supported the application.

However, MOE did not place me on Permanent estab straight. Instead, I was placed on this scheme called "Local Contract" - slightly different from Contract Adjunct - basically everything a permanent teacher does, not bound to a contract of 1 - 1.5 years like CAJT, BUT no connect plan. Salary was somewhat equivalent to my last drawn salary in MOE as a teacher on Permanent scheme.

After 2 years of serving this Local Contract scheme, I was finally re-emplaced on Permanent scheme after 4 years of trying.
Is it better to be a full time teacher or FAJT? I heard full time teacher has a lot of other committee/cca duties and projects that distract you from T&L.
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