ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

any one can share July promotion increment for ST?

Wage freeze

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wage freeze

He's talking about promotion increment, not yearly increment

Seems to be a lot of sort change in terms of salary lately. eg.division manager is only m2, department manager is only m2, project manager can be E5.

No pay adjustment or promotion as well.

All the inflated title bullsh!t

Hiring freeze.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Seems to be a lot of sort change in terms of salary lately. eg.division manager is only m2, department manager is only m2, project manager can be E5.

No pay adjustment or promotion as well.

Some of these individuals are promoted or appointed but they do not have the skills for it. The promotion criteria in ST is as good as anyone's guesses when some don't even know their KPI.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Some of these individuals are promoted or appointed but they do not have the skills for it. The promotion criteria in ST is as good as anyone's guesses when some don't even know their KPI.

Chef - requires cooking skills
Cleaners - requires cleaning skills
Teachers - requires teaching skills
Programmer - requires programming skills
Artist - requires art skills
Manager - requires what skills? ******** ppl skill loh. Who can bodek boss get promoted to manager lo

Originally Posted by Unregistered

E5 - Project engineer
E6 - Senior Engineer
M1 - Assistant Principal Engineer
M2 - principal engineer
M3 - senior principal engineer
M4 - VP
M5 - sVP

I wonder how ST appoint the manager appointments. I have seen M2 with Dy Division Manager but M3 with Manager title. End up the M3 reports to M2 technically because of appointment.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I wonder how ST appoint the manager appointments. I have seen M2 with Dy Division Manager but M3 with Manager title. End up the M3 reports to M2 technically because of appointment.

I was told 2 different stories:
1) Story 1 say there are two tracks. Engineers and Managers...
- So the people who say this story is basically saying M1 is the lowest form of managerial track. M1 is the E6
- People who share this story usually say M1 pay is same or lower than engineers.
- But they don't share that M1 got extra annual leave.
- So how can it be the same.
- Some say the extra annual leave is the result of lower actual $ salary.
- I dunno la.
- So people in this track will say M1, M2 have no actual managerial power. But they don't have to do engineers work.

2) Story 2 say there is only 1 track. All road leads to management.
- People say this M1 is higher paid than E6 likewise E6 is higher paid than E5.
- People who use this example will feel there is no future. ONly a select few will be 'handpicked' by managers to be promoted to M1, M2, M3.
- That's why alot of engineers left cause they been just E6 forever while some management go from M1 to M2 to M3 every few 2 to 3 years.
- People also say 'see who sits in their own office' those who have their own office are the actual managers.
- Some say M1, M2, M3 are just your 'salary grade'
- Some also claim M2 can be lower paid than E6.
- Some also claim that there is a quota how many M2 and M1 in each division.
- And usually this M1 and M2 are already long timer (10 years++)
- SO they don't leave, people can't get promoted.
- THis is valid cause recently an M1 quit and guess what an E6 finally got promoted to M1 after 6 years.

Anyway ST is not a place for promotion/engineering work.
Join ST only if u want to retire/enjoy life/ doing average work.

E4
E5
E6
M1
M2
M3
M4
Those are salary grade. If you search for someone title in the outlook directory.
E5 - project engineer
E6 - senior engineer
M1 - assistant principal engineer
M2 - prinpical engineer

But someone who is M1 can have a job title as "Operations Manager" then this title is given by the division manager cause the division is managed by the division manager. they want to call what. then call what lo. LIkewise in another division someone who is M1 is called "business manager" or someone in M2 is called "technology managers".

Likewise all the E5 - project engineers.
They call themselves as they like. I have seen linkedin resume title like
"Software engineer"
"Software developer"
"Machine engineer"
"Support engineer"
"Project Lead"
"Software Lead"
"Data Scientist"
"Dev Ops"
"SYstem engineer"
"Project Manager" - some even call themselves project manager as E5. =)

ST is really inflated with titles.