ST Electronics

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Have received verbal offer awaiting G50 clearance, for dsta.

Then you still come into ST forum and bait for information ...
DSTA ppl is one kind one.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

a typical IT engineer from fresh grad 1st class with 5 years exp at GovTech will get how much basic salary. Assume average C performance for all these 5 years.

Just do a comparison

Around 5500

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Join ST if you want an
- work life balance
- hardly any overtime
- projects takes years to materialize
- most of the time engineers just slack come late office
- breakfast until 930 am
- then 2 hours later blank stare..
- 1130 am then lunch liao
- go 2 hours lunch come back 130pm
- maybe have 1 meeting per week.
- sit in push here push there
- tea break
- tomorrow prepare for the next week meeting.

But expect
Average pay
Average progression
Lots of politics
No chance to promote cause all those occupying the spaces are like 20 years with ST
See fresh grad high pay 4.2k join in.
They can't do anything.
Boss ask you to guide them.
You also can't guide them cause you yourself also dun have the skill
So you push the responsibility to fresh grad.
Fresh grad fed up finally leave 1 or 2 years.
Rinse and repeat until someone else eventually quit.

Quite true. ST hard to promote. With the selfish managers who scared of their rice bowls being stolen by the young performers, they give them poor or average appraisals to suppress their growth in the company. Some managers claims the credits of the engineers so that the bosses does not recognize the junior engineers strength.

When things goes wrong, these selfish managers will push the blames to the juniors and just sits down for the engineers to solve the problem for them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Quite true. ST hard to promote. With the selfish managers who scared of their rice bowls being stolen by the young performers, they give them poor or average appraisals to suppress their growth in the company. Some managers claims the credits of the engineers so that the bosses does not recognize the junior engineers strength.

When things goes wrong, these selfish managers will push the blames to the juniors and just sits down for the engineers to solve the problem for them.

Yep. Joined ST recently, kinda regret. Feels like a lot of the managers are those who can't do technical / engineering so become manager cause of their long time service. Ask them so technical question, not to challenge them, but need to know if not how to design the system...

They don't know then just push back to you.
They are like the uni professor for final year project.
Just assign you a project. You do.. Deliver.
They themselves dunno what approach. How to go about.
But once you finish delivering the system...
They take all the credit.. Get promoted advance higher and higher.

Tjafs why alor of managers. M2 TO M4 just come office play politics.
Why? Cause they don't have the skills... The only way they get promoted is assign work to lowly engineers. Then outlast them..

That's all they know.
That's how they get promoted.
So why would they change.
My colleague like to joke.. ST Engineering should be renamed to ST Consulting.
Those perm staff all just consultant. The engineers that need the skillet are outsource...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Around 5500

Too low for 5 years exp.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yep. Joined ST recently, kinda regret. Feels like a lot of the managers are those who can't do technical / engineering so become manager cause of their long time service. Ask them so technical question, not to challenge them, but need to know if not how to design the system...

They don't know then just push back to you.
They are like the uni professor for final year project.
Just assign you a project. You do.. Deliver.
They themselves dunno what approach. How to go about.
But once you finish delivering the system...
They take all the credit.. Get promoted advance higher and higher.

Tjafs why alor of managers. M2 TO M4 just come office play politics.
Why? Cause they don't have the skills... The only way they get promoted is assign work to lowly engineers. Then outlast them..

That's all they know.
That's how they get promoted.
So why would they change.
My colleague like to joke.. ST Engineering should be renamed to ST Consulting.
Those perm staff all just consultant. The engineers that need the skillet are outsource...

Some "engineers" joined the company as managers just because their last drawn pay and expected salary are higher than what is drawn by the Executive Engineers. Then they have no experience to lead and the appropriate technical knowledge. The only way they cover themselves and cheat their way through promotion is continue to leech from the Engineers and steal the credit to continue promote.

With their position, they will try to prevent capable engineers under them to excel and bring down their appraisals so as to keep their position secured. No engineers will excel with these people around and create more unjustified mindset.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Too low for 5 years exp.

fresh grad 3.8 leh, based on the current increment, after 5 yrs also around 5.5

Any one work in aerospace? Is it better?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

fresh grad 3.8 leh, based on the current increment, after 5 yrs also around 5.5

You need to look at market rate when assessing your choices.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Some "engineers" joined the company as managers just because their last drawn pay and expected salary are higher than what is drawn by the Executive Engineers. Then they have no experience to lead and the appropriate technical knowledge. The only way they cover themselves and cheat their way through promotion is continue to leech from the Engineers and steal the credit to continue promote.

With their position, they will try to prevent capable engineers under them to excel and bring down their appraisals so as to keep their position secured. No engineers will excel with these people around and create more unjustified mindset.

Only Testers have work life balance.