ST Electronics

im another one joined a year ago after graduation, despite reading and hearing alot of comments abt the company but i still join hoping it is not that worst. Now, im doing my best to find job back to cs.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

hmmm. to clarify, those hired 20 - 30 years ago is one group, which comfortably won't upgrade and they are the reason why people left. i have colleagues who got promoted to SE in 5-6 years times by just holding a ITE/ dip cert without knowledge. This are the group that are quite dangerous in a sense that all don't wanna upgrade and finds no purpose of doing so and not knowing that they themselves are just performing a technician job and not an engineering job. Job ads are job ads that look nice, now they are opening engineers position to just dip cert with so-called "experiences" which referring to the ex forces people. those people have a certain knowledge but just on their own system and not a general engineering knowledge. Hence the groups here are spilted by their bosses to 2 different group - one with degree and one doesnt and both pay doesnt differ much. which is simply like when you need to form a team, you cannot just pull and pluck in, you have to search those with the relevant qualifications and often they had difficulty doing so. I dont mean you dont have a degree then you are not good, what i mean is the old ones and those keep promoted (despite w/o qualifications) had built an environment letting the newcomers to think that upgrading is not needed and engineering job aren't hard and i can still keep promoted despite i lack the fundermental. Also, by doing so, they pulled down the pay for the those degree engineers , pulled down the quality of the company and pulled down the "engineer" title. Often, this is the reason why those engineer from the west are laughing at singaporean engineer because those people make a fool of themselves, using their so-called "experiences" to argue fundermental with engineers holding a phd. Furthermore, the west didnt know that not all engineers hold a degree.

In the west, some countries have strict laws and conditions who's an engineer, and who's not qualified to call themselves an engineer. So the moment someone identifies themselves as engineer, they probably understand (or assume) that that person is a professional engineer who been through a 4 year engineering course in university.

In Singapore, the title been overused by all sort of people with all sort of qualification.

Then the whole problem is about appraisal, meritocracy and talent recognition. The first thing to fix should be the HR system for not having a proper appraisal system in place. In many organisations, appraisal can be unfair, and is more of one's social network within the company. The top management likes you, every year get A, promotions and more bonuses.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

im another one joined a year ago after graduation, despite reading and hearing alot of comments abt the company but i still join hoping it is not that worst. Now, im doing my best to find job back to cs.

And the issues and problems you are facing are? Don't mind sharing?

Lack of prospect?
Lack of guidance by seniors/reporting officer?
Lack of training opportunities?
Lack of work life balance i.e overtime and long working hours?
Lack of job satisfaction?
Unfair treatment?
Bypassed for promotion?
Not given a chance to convert to perm from contract?
Nasty environment, client, colleagues or superiors?
Office politics?

What are you unhappy with in general?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And the issues and problems you are facing are? Don't mind sharing?

Lack of prospect?
Lack of guidance by seniors/reporting officer?
Lack of training opportunities?
Lack of work life balance i.e overtime and long working hours?
Lack of job satisfaction?
Unfair treatment?
Bypassed for promotion?
Not given a chance to convert to perm from contract?
Nasty environment, client, colleagues or superiors?
Office politics?

What are you unhappy with in general?

1) Lack of prospect
2) seniors and reporting officer have very limited knowledge hence couldn't provide me much guidance. However, this is not the main issue as im used to research/google the ans and solutions myself.
3) my work time is generally ok just lack of job satisfaction.
4) despite me able to perform better and do much more for the company, i felt kind of wasted because you also hardly get the chance to be promoted.
5) environment wise still ok. i just felt like what the above poster is saying, superiors and incompetent colleagues are the main reason that pulled down the professional title. like doctors, lawyers without license those but still able to practice in their field. often when doing projects with stat board engineer, they tend to look down on our people because those blacksheeps keep making a fool of themselves thinking their experiences is fundermental and we are known as engineers without standard despite me holding a degree and know my stuff. you will felt like mismatch in it when discussing projects, the cs people wont respect you.

6) also, not getting the salary of a degree engineer and you are grouped as executive so you get a normal executive pay like what those BA gets. HR dont know the differences in certs and they simply dont bother because HR holds the rights. engineers all grouped the same as office executive? hellooooo? HR management basically can go eat ****

Is there any future for a person in his company if one does not wish to take on project management role but be a technical specialist/consultant of sort?

Why many people say system integrators are sweatshops working a lot of OT like 80 hours per week, but the ST engineers here say they usually have normal 9-6 working hours?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why many people say system integrators are sweatshops working a lot of OT like 80 hours per week, but the ST engineers here say they usually have normal 9-6 working hours?

Hahaha obviously looking at the above comments you will know the standard of a ST engineers? Do you think they are really a system integrators? Maybe have la but definitely not all system integrators are integrators. The REAL system integrators really work OT and that's what i encountered when i was working with foreign engineers and they are people who are really motivated and fast.

BTW anyone have worked for ST Info comm under agency contract from Jobline before? So how is the benefits and likes?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

BTW anyone have worked for ST Info comm under agency contract from Jobline before? So how is the benefits and likes?

My colleague was under jobline agency, if i didn't remember wrongly the benefits are up to 60bucks HP bill (claims), then PB bonus + 13month. which will only be given after you completed one year. Example you came in feb then next year feb then will get the PB + 13 month. It is paid from the agency to you instead of directly from the company. I think not everyone has the 60hp bills. Need to see dept i guess.

Is there any career path in ST Engineering / ST Electronics if one does not aspire to be a project manager?

On average, how much does it pay for a local Singaporean software engineer with 7 years relevant experience?