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10-03-2021, 10:53 PM
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After following this post for sometime, can some seniors enlighten me on the job prospects at info-security?
If there's any form of training provided on the job?
Graduating as a comp science student this year.
Many Thanks...
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11-03-2021, 01:25 AM
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ST is the dumping ground aka last place you'll go. Hasnt been first choice for grads. Do your reading about them
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11-03-2021, 08:11 AM
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I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.
Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...
Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...
Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..
In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.
Oh what a surprise...
If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...
I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.
ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...
Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.
That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
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11-03-2021, 08:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.
Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...
Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...
Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..
In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.
Oh what a surprise...
If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...
I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.
ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...
Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.
That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
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totally agree...a old people old mindset retirement village...
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11-03-2021, 09:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.
Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...
Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...
Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..
In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.
Oh what a surprise...
If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...
I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.
ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...
Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.
That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
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Wow I did not thought of this. Many Thanks to you all seniors. Guess I'll look for other companies instead.
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11-03-2021, 09:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.
Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...
Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...
Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..
In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.
Oh what a surprise...
If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...
I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.
ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...
Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.
That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
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Many thanks for the insight view. Definitely will try other places.
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11-03-2021, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
totally agree...a old people old mindset retirement village...
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Not all divisions or business units are the same la.
When people think of ST Engineering, they just think of defence work...
Got mrt got bus got research lab...
The retirement sentiment maybe true in the defence side but other sides still have exciting and real world and fun challenges..
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11-03-2021, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
I'm aware of other organisations program or plan to recruit... Or internship etc.
Somehow, even I worked in ST. I'm unaware of any initiative to recruit young blood...
Whenever conversations of fresh grad come up with management's.
It's usually...
Me: we need people with this specific skill sets to work on this project.
Management : so many? Can cut down just 1 or 2?
Me: the deadline very tight and the LD cost is high. Better we have some redundancy if only high 1 or 2 and they leave before the project due date.. It's very hard to retrain.
Management: how about 3? Hire 2 seniors 1 fresh grad as back up.
Me: we need 5 highly functional programmers. Can't afford to have a fresh grad. Learning curve is steep and time line is short..
Management : fresh grad cheaper..
In the end, I quit. From last I heard the management in charge of that prokect was promoted to head another business unit so he abandoned the project. A few others also left. So the new manager hired to clean up this mess actively hiring now. But it seems like they can't find people.
Oh what a surprise...
If you join ST. Be prepared to accept
1) low pay
2) no support or help from seniors
3) change of management every 1 or 2 years when their kpi already fulfilled
4) old technologies
5) lots of red tape
6) nothing to learn.
7) even learn liao only can be used in ST, can't transfer to other...
I suggest you Google those big name player in cyberscruity and join them instead. Then got the experience, skillet then only come to ST to retire.
ST is not pioneer in cybersecurity...
Everyone doing cyber security, senior management set direction want to setup cyber security division.. But existing staff all don't have this skill. Just hire outsource to fill the gap.
That's how ST works. Really a retirement village
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Wise words. Never begin your career in ST. I did and am paying the price now. Pay way behind my peers and finding it difficult to move.
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11-03-2021, 10:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
Wise words. Never begin your career in ST. I did and am paying the price now. Pay way behind my peers and finding it difficult to move.
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Not true... I have colleagues who can transfer across ST.
Anything quit jojn another division. Then that division cmi quit join another...
Cause the ST culture you can work in ST.
And they know you can take hardship so will rehire..
New people come in very hard to fit in the ST culture.
Once see the world cannot fit in.
If never seen the world, can accept. Like ns duty.
But leave also most will come back to the safety.
Join ST
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