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kindaichi 04-04-2013 12:57 PM

Pls advise... leave or stay?
 
Hi

I am currently working as a QC Chemist in one of the local pharma companies.

My current monthly salary is $3200 + $500 transport allowance. AWS will be paid at the end of the year (dec) and PB (usu 1-2.5 mths) will be paid in apr. other benefits include 15 days annual leave and medical benefits

I am offered a job as a Asst Lab Manager (mainly doing safety audits which is something I like and is learning) elsewhere and this is what they offered me...

annual package of $45600 which works out to about $3800 per mth (no AWS)... plus any PB that will be paid in Jan... i got 21 days leave here...

so my current package is higher than what they are offering... salary is not longer neg accordingly to HR so should I leave my current job?

Unregistered 04-04-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kindaichi (Post 35256)
Hi

I am currently working as a QC Chemist in one of the local pharma companies.

My current monthly salary is $3200 + $500 transport allowance. AWS will be paid at the end of the year (dec) and PB (usu 1-2.5 mths) will be paid in apr. other benefits include 15 days annual leave and medical benefits

I am offered a job as a Asst Lab Manager (mainly doing safety audits which is something I like and is learning) elsewhere and this is what they offered me...

annual package of $45600 which works out to about $3800 per mth (no AWS)... plus any PB that will be paid in Jan... i got 21 days leave here...

so my current package is higher than what they are offering... salary is not longer neg accordingly to HR so should I leave my current job?

What are the career growth paths in both companies. Do you want technical or managerial work? Work environment and colleagues are important factors too.

If you are as young as I presumed you to be, then move to expand your horizon and knowledge. But leave in an amicable way to leave the door open for future return..

Unregistered 04-04-2013 01:53 PM

You are a chemist and u still ask these type of question?

too much reactions until cannot do maths? JUST LEAVE and here is why:

1) singapore does not reward technical skills, so managerial work is the way to go
2) Fixed remuneration, meaning there is no hijack of pb or any other crap.
3) you will need that 7extra leave when you get older.

Notice I didnt add that higher pay? because that is just a bonus!

Unregistered 04-04-2013 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kindaichi (Post 35256)
Hi

I am currently working as a QC Chemist in one of the local pharma companies.

My current monthly salary is $3200 + $500 transport allowance. AWS will be paid at the end of the year (dec) and PB (usu 1-2.5 mths) will be paid in apr. other benefits include 15 days annual leave and medical benefits

I am offered a job as a Asst Lab Manager (mainly doing safety audits which is something I like and is learning) elsewhere and this is what they offered me...

annual package of $45600 which works out to about $3800 per mth (no AWS)... plus any PB that will be paid in Jan... i got 21 days leave here...

so my current package is higher than what they are offering... salary is not longer neg accordingly to HR so should I leave my current job?


Looking at your leave structure and salary structure (no AWS, PB in Jan) New job offer is at NUS?

If so I am able to offer decent advice.

Unregistered 04-04-2013 02:44 PM

Annual leave is very important! 15 days vs 21 days is 6 days difference. Its substantial. I think if i am in your shoes, I will go for it!

although pay wise similar, overall better off with more leave and doing something i like.

kindaichi 04-04-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35259)
Looking at your leave structure and salary structure (no AWS, PB in Jan) New job offer is at NUS?

If so I am able to offer decent advice.

yah.. it is one of the faculty in nus...

how are the PB, promotion and annual increment there like?

thanks in adv... need to reply them soon le... :(

wern 04-04-2013 06:42 PM

Not too bad if you look at the overall picture.
Stable (assuming they not placing you on contract), regular hours (rarely see lab or nus staff staying late), cheap food somemore. Apart from the 'no-aws' salary structure, working at nus is very civil service-like.

kindaichi 08-04-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wern (Post 35268)
Not too bad if you look at the overall picture.
Stable (assuming they not placing you on contract), regular hours (rarely see lab or nus staff staying late), cheap food somemore. Apart from the 'no-aws' salary structure, working at nus is very civil service-like.

yah, the cheap food is gd... salary they offering me is lower than what im getting now (assuming no PB for both)...

Current = annual package + allowance (47.6k) (though I have been getting 1.5 mths of bonus as ave performer)
now = annual package (45.6k)

but i have verbally accepted n will be gg for medical check up soon... oh well... hope i made the right choice to switch to do safety n lab management (in schs only)...

Unregistered 09-04-2013 02:15 PM

should never settle for less, unless for better job security or work-life reasons, or you were facing harassment at your current workplace. But if the transport allowance is excluded, your new offer is better. But it's amazing that nus get away with no aws & still managed to hire people in this competitive market for talents.

Unregistered 09-04-2013 02:29 PM

Nus
 
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Originally Posted by kindaichi (Post 35266)
yah.. it is one of the faculty in nus...

how are the PB, promotion and annual increment there like?

thanks in adv... need to reply them soon le... :(

Having in being the so called E & P scheme in NUS, advice as following :

PB is standard 1 - 2 months. VERY EXCEPTIONAL CASES you will get 3 months but you get the picture.

promotion in NUS is rare unless you are in the one in the million. Looking at your AM role, I would say minimum 5 years before your promotion.

Annual increment 100 - 200 dollars.

VERY PRO work life balance. Essentially you do not have to do much. But ZERO career progression; honest.

Good luck

kindaichi 09-04-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35525)
Having in being the so called E & P scheme in NUS, advice as following :

PB is standard 1 - 2 months. VERY EXCEPTIONAL CASES you will get 3 months but you get the picture.

promotion in NUS is rare unless you are in the one in the million. Looking at your AM role, I would say minimum 5 years before your promotion.

Annual increment 100 - 200 dollars.

VERY PRO work life balance. Essentially you do not have to do much. But ZERO career progression; honest.

Good luck

that is quite sad to know... but at least i know nus is recession proof and hopefully, i can go somewhere to be a safety manager after 3-4 yrs there....

coz like what a forumer above said, technical skills are basically useless and i have cut-throat colleagues in my current workplace... :(:(:(

oh well, at least nus is nearer my place than tuas....

kindaichi 09-04-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35524)
should never settle for less, unless for better job security or work-life reasons, or you were facing harassment at your current workplace. But if the transport allowance is excluded, your new offer is better. But it's amazing that nus get away with no aws & still managed to hire people in this competitive market for talents.

don't think nus is looking for talents with the salary they paying for executives... but then again, heard that nus is very stable and hopefully no cut throat colleagues like what im having here....:(

Unregistered 10-04-2013 08:32 AM

Are u sure NUS does not have AWS ? NUS is a statutory board. It ought to have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kindaichi (Post 35266)
yah.. it is one of the faculty in nus...

how are the PB, promotion and annual increment there like?

thanks in adv... need to reply them soon le... :(


kindaichi 10-04-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35551)
Are u sure NUS does not have AWS ? NUS is a statutory board. It ought to have.

nus is not a stat board

Unregistered 10-04-2013 08:54 AM

if u want a safe, stable, clean environment, go to nus. but most prob will have quite a bit of paper work as compare to ur current company. do u need to manage alot of people and do u like managing people?
think about it

Unregistered 10-04-2013 02:16 PM

I'm not from your pharma industry, so take it as a casual comment from a salaried worker.

1) do not leave for lower pay unless your current position is made redundant or is UNBEARABLE. It's like taking two steps back!

2) NUS is not exactly a commercial institution, ie., it does not exist for profit, your pay is not going to go up much further without promotion!

3) Private Sector companies are always much more well regarded by prospective hiring managers and head hunters.


Be patient, your next opening will come sooner than you think.

kindaichi 10-04-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35563)
I'm not from your pharma industry, so take it as a casual comment from a salaried worker.

1) do not leave for lower pay unless your current position is made redundant or is UNBEARABLE. It's like taking two steps back!

2) NUS is not exactly a commercial institution, ie., it does not exist for profit, your pay is not going to go up much further without promotion!

3) Private Sector companies are always much more well regarded by prospective hiring managers and head hunters.


Be patient, your next opening will come sooner than you think.

but transport allowance is not really part of my package isn't it? everyone in my company gets it (same amount somemore)... even the most junior staffs (diploma or ITE grads), even upper management gets it... my base is still $3.2k...

or should I really include my transport allowance?

kindaichi 10-04-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 35554)
if u want a safe, stable, clean environment, go to nus. but most prob will have quite a bit of paper work as compare to ur current company. do u need to manage alot of people and do u like managing people?
think about it

my current job has ALOT of paperwork.... GMP is tedious and a pain in the a**!

yah, i will need to manage some junior technologist under my current position which will be the first time doing managerial work... so i guess it will look better on my resume?

Unregistered 12-04-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kindaichi (Post 35585)
my current job has ALOT of paperwork.... GMP is tedious and a pain in the a**!

yah, i will need to manage some junior technologist under my current position which will be the first time doing managerial work... so i guess it will look better on my resume?

500 transport allowance is actually a fair bit considering you are not in a sales related role?

Take note that those lab techs in NUS, NTU are usually old timers > 30 years working there. Not sure what management are you going to be talking about.

Celeste 12-04-2013 12:20 PM

Agreed. The transport allowance is a luxury considering it being a non-sales position.

kindaichi 12-04-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeste (Post 35687)
Agreed. The transport allowance is a luxury considering it being a non-sales position.

so meaning i shouldn't consider it part of my pay package? just an additional bonus the company is 'kindly' giving me... considering the fact that i am not able to claim OT le... which I do quite a lot btw...


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