Civil Service Merit Increment 2012

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You have been bitching about STE for the longest time in this forum just like Miwashi on NEA.

So unhappy, then go off lar, what's the point lambasting your employer online all the time?

If you tried and nobody else willing to offer you a higher pay, it is also indicates that the market has assesed your competency and determined that you are not worth as much as you think you are. In that case, just be happy that STE is giving you stable employment.

Although lucks play a part, I think it is more of a chicken and egg issue. Most employers hiring new staff will look at the candidates' past career development and last drawn pay. Therefore, when he sees someone with slow progression over the years in the same company, he will find it hard to offer a significantly higher salary and position. He tends to deduce that the person must be a below average performer. Therefore, the longer the person stays in the same company, the more difficult it will be for him to get a much better job. Moreover, over time this person who was once so motivated and driven will become so demoralised that he will start to become a poor performer.

I have been MX 12 since 2009 to current.
My MI for this year (6.2%) in absolute figure is higher than MX12 with B grade and MX11 with C grade.
My PB has been C since 2009.
Is it due to CEP for my high MI as compared to other MX12?

[shaz]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have been MX 12 since 2009 to current.
My MI for this year (6.2%) in absolute figure is higher than MX12 with B grade and MX11 with C grade.
My PB has been C since 2009.
Is it due to CEP for my high MI as compared to other MX12?

CEP has got nothing to with MI/PB. It is possible for the MI of MX12 in a Ministry to be different from MX12 in a Stat Board.

Originally Posted by shaz

CEP has got nothing to with MI/PB. It is possible for the MI of MX12 in a Ministry to be different from MX12 in a Stat Board.

what does CEP affect in that case? or what is the use of the CEp then?

are MSOs rated lower CEPs?

[shaz]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

what does CEP affect in that case? or what is the use of the CEp then?

are MSOs rated lower CEPs?

CEP is somewhat complex to explain as it involves many factors.I'll try my best to explain it anyway:

CEP is what management expects of you when you reach retirement age. If an officer starts work at entry-level MSO Grade V at the age of 24, the officer's CEP would usually be 2 grades higher... meaning, the officer will reach MSO Grade III at retirement age. CEP remains largely the same unless officer displays outstanding potential in the course of his work.

MSO, being a Division 2 officer would be graded with other MSOs within the same Division and grade... ranking of CEP is done AFTER ranking officer's grade... Here's an example:

Step 1: Management looks at 3 reportees' profile. Ignore CEP for now.
Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, super on the ball, involved in many projects
Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, efficient, +ve attitude, involved in few projects
Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, efficient, bocap attitude, did not involve in projects

Step 2: Management ranks officers according to performance grade
MSO Grade V:
Officer A only, rank #1, grade B

MSO Grade IV:
Officer B, rank #1, grade B
Officer C, rank #2, grade C-

Step 3: Management rank officers' CEP. Ignore Grade
Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, CEP given: MSO Grade III
Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade II
Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade III

Step 4: Management ranks officers' CEP.
Rank 1: Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade II
Rank 2: Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, CEP given: MSO Grade III
Rank 3: Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade III

If there is a situation when officers are of the same age-band, same grade, same work abilities... then we'll use their earlier performance grading to rank them for CEP...if they have the same performance grade, then we just toss a coin... lol...

DONE!!! Imagine when you have 200 officers... this ranking exercise can be a nightmare and could take several days to complete... do note that CEP is kept secret from the officer. For MX Scholars, they typically have a CEP of Superscale H or MX9 when they're at MX13, MX12, MX11. When they reach MX10, their CEP may be adjusted to Superscale G or higher depending on his age and abilities...

At the end of the day, pray hard that your boss fights for you during ranking exercise

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have been MX 12 since 2009 to current.
My MI for this year (6.2%) in absolute figure is higher than MX12 with B grade and MX11 with C grade.
My PB has been C since 2009.
Is it due to CEP for my high MI as compared to other MX12?

I have entered MX scheme as a 12 so does that mean that my CEP Is MX10 and higher than those who entered the MX scheme as 13?

[shaz]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have entered MX scheme as a 12 so does that mean that my CEP Is MX10 and higher than those who entered the MX scheme as 13?

Maybe... Management look at several factors before they can give you a CEP. If you're so-so performer, and there're many other MXOs in your unit, your CEP could be MX11 for a start and then get upgraded later if you prove otherwise.

[Bean]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have entered MX scheme as a 12 so does that mean that my CEP Is MX10 and higher than those who entered the MX scheme as 13?

you mean when you 1st join the ministry since fresh degree grad, you are being offer as a MX12??? not MX13??

Do you have any previous working exp?

[cslee]

Just put simply, build up an excellent working relationship with your boss to get noticed.

Originally Posted by shaz

CEP is somewhat complex to explain as it involves many factors.I'll try my best to explain it anyway:

CEP is what management expects of you when you reach retirement age. If an officer starts work at entry-level MSO Grade V at the age of 24, the officer's CEP would usually be 2 grades higher... meaning, the officer will reach MSO Grade III at retirement age. CEP remains largely the same unless officer displays outstanding potential in the course of his work.

MSO, being a Division 2 officer would be graded with other MSOs within the same Division and grade... ranking of CEP is done AFTER ranking officer's grade... Here's an example:

Step 1: Management looks at 3 reportees' profile. Ignore CEP for now.
Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, super on the ball, involved in many projects
Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, efficient, +ve attitude, involved in few projects
Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, efficient, bocap attitude, did not involve in projects

Step 2: Management ranks officers according to performance grade
MSO Grade V:
Officer A only, rank #1, grade B

MSO Grade IV:
Officer B, rank #1, grade B
Officer C, rank #2, grade C-

Step 3: Management rank officers' CEP. Ignore Grade
Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, CEP given: MSO Grade III
Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade II
Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade III

Step 4: Management ranks officers' CEP.
Rank 1: Officer B: Age 40, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade II
Rank 2: Officer A: Age 26, MSO Grade V, CEP given: MSO Grade III
Rank 3: Officer C: Age 55, MSO Grade VI, CEP given: MSO Grade III

If there is a situation when officers are of the same age-band, same grade, same work abilities... then we'll use their earlier performance grading to rank them for CEP...if they have the same performance grade, then we just toss a coin... lol...

DONE!!! Imagine when you have 200 officers... this ranking exercise can be a nightmare and could take several days to complete... do note that CEP is kept secret from the officer. For MX Scholars, they typically have a CEP of Superscale H or MX9 when they're at MX13, MX12, MX11. When they reach MX10, their CEP may be adjusted to Superscale G or higher depending on his age and abilities...

At the end of the day, pray hard that your boss fights for you during ranking exercise

Originally Posted by Bean

sorry I am from GLC!!! ST engineering!!! I got only 5 years exp as an engineer!!

Of course in ministry, the increment is 2-3x better than ST...even my batch with just a PASS degree, already getting 4.5-4.9k in ministry...better than me a 2nd lower not even hitting 3.9k

Me also from STE, on my 5th year already had 2 promotions and pay crosses 4.1K.