That gahment sector-wide one-time pay increment in March 2012?

[lazyplane]

Originally Posted by miwashi

I was wondering if this pay increase applies to all organizations that decide to follow it and is not constrained by any other factors.

What I mean is, it is not a merit increment but rather a pay adjustment, so will everyone get it? Does performance appraisal grading have any bearing on whether you will get it or not?

i am going to say this to be helpful.. if u find it hard to accept then just consider me as blowing wind


i dont know u but it is clear u r upset about your job for the longest time. i think u feel upset after all the education etc still stuck in a lousy paying job with no progresssion and you are venting your anger about being at grass cutting statboard after 6 years in a public forum.

seriously dude. ... what do u hope to achieve here ? that others in the forum will comfort u ? that your boss see or someone from the organisation will wake and discover the star u r from your posting here ? that another organisation wil hire you after seeing you post such remarks ?

u r also not young anymore.. u mean u really still think by using a fake name in this forum that your supervisors or anyone reading this from your govt cannot figure whom u r based on your descriptiom about yourself , education level and the activities that the organisation does ?

have u read the recent market report about singapore workforce. for
the 25-30 age group in sinagpore, over 70 percent r grads or have some kind of professional qualification.

we are no longer living in the age that just because u got the best degree in the world u got to have a top job here.

finally if ur goal is to make more money, then go give tutition , pick up a 2 job that u can moon light like property agent or insurance agent and work your butt off lah... stop wasting time lamenting about your job

ok . i said enough. take it or leave it . but i will say the same thing to myself if i am in your shoes.

[uturn]

Originally Posted by miwashi

well, I called up my HR and that's what they said... D and E graders are not entitled to the 10% adjustment.

It's a stat board so I guess they can make up all kinds of their own rules.

I hope I can get an offer soon. I wasted 6 years of my life in a rubbish dump.

..and someone must get that "D" and "E" grade?! That's so unfair. Is it the same for all organisation?

[cslee]

Originally Posted by uturn

..and someone must get that "D" and "E" grade?! That's so unfair. Is it the same for all organisation?

Depend on bell curve, D would usually go to some people e.g. rumours I get usually go to someone just resigned to save "remaining" staff. As for E, it's adverse report i.e. did something seriously wrong, boss also need to write reports. Normally, none would get E, as it may lead to firing.

Originally Posted by lazyplane

i am going to say this to be helpful.. if u find it hard to accept then just consider me as blowing wind


i dont know u but it is clear u r upset about your job for the longest time. i think u feel upset after all the education etc still stuck in a lousy paying job with no progresssion and you are venting your anger about being at grass cutting statboard after 6 years in a public forum.

seriously dude. ... what do u hope to achieve here ? that others in the forum will comfort u ? that your boss see or someone from the organisation will wake and discover the star u r from your posting here ? that another organisation wil hire you after seeing you post such remarks ?

u r also not young anymore.. u mean u really still think by using a fake name in this forum that your supervisors or anyone reading this from your govt cannot figure whom u r based on your descriptiom about yourself , education level and the activities that the organisation does ?

have u read the recent market report about singapore workforce. for
the 25-30 age group in sinagpore, over 70 percent r grads or have some kind of professional qualification.

we are no longer living in the age that just because u got the best degree in the world u got to have a top job here.

finally if ur goal is to make more money, then go give tutition , pick up a 2 job that u can moon light like property agent or insurance agent and work your butt off lah... stop wasting time lamenting about your job

ok . i said enough. take it or leave it . but i will say the same thing to myself if i am in your shoes.

Save your breath on him. Miwashi, Bean and Anonomous have been around these boards for a long time and hardly post anything of value anyway.

Although they potray themselves differently online (Miwashi the whiner, Bean the lobo public servant and Anonynomous the sophisticated finance banker wanabe), it is very obvious from their postings that they are very unhappy with their current jobs.

These guys start & participate in threads randomly and always steer the conversation to their favorite pet topics regardless of the discussion at hand. I doubt they hope to achieve anything in this forum except to vent real life frustrations and/or enact fantasies in a prallel universe.

[cslee]

Originally Posted by miwashi

My bosses screwed me over big time by giving me a D grade after all those night meetings and hot walks in the sun.

I checked with my HR side, and found out

D grade = no performance bonus, no merit increment, and according to HR, also no entitlement to the 10% pay adjustment.

In other words I got nothing.

I have to get out of this rubbish dump. Why give them so much unseen effort and do things behind the scenes while their scholars get all the credit?

@Miwashi: It appears to me that your working relationships with your boss is quite lacking. If you do hate your organisation/boss, your boss would also hate you, as it's a mutual feeling (people can sense it). For whatever reasons if you decided to stay on, find a time and have a frank and honest discussion session with your boss. Find out what he dislikes about you and promise that you would do something about it. If you did your part, your boss would also do the same in reciprocal. Otherwise, do move on to somewhere else.

Originally Posted by miwashi

well, I called up my HR and that's what they said... D and E graders are not entitled to the 10% adjustment.

It's a stat board so I guess they can make up all kinds of their own rules.

I hope I can get an offer soon. I wasted 6 years of my life in a rubbish dump.

That is very mean of them..i hope u can secure another job soon.

Good luck.

[uturn]

Originally Posted by cslee

Depend on bell curve, D would usually go to some people e.g. rumours I get usually go to someone just resigned to save "remaining" staff. As for E, it's adverse report i.e. did something seriously wrong, boss also need to write reports. Normally, none would get E, as it may lead to firing.

no lah.. Resigned where got count.
That part on "E" i agree.

I know someone must get "D" which is very strange thing

[cslee]

Originally Posted by uturn

no lah.. Resigned where got count.
That part on "E" i agree.

I know someone must get "D" which is very strange thing

I know of some people do get "D". In ministries, "D" is probably as rare as "A", which does form a bell curve. But whether it is a must - I'm not sure. But one thing for sure is that the bosses really dislike them, which are quite obvious e.g. taking too many MCs, disrespect/disobey boss etc. Usually, they won't stay unless got medical conditions.

How long can they stay put if given consecutive "E" grade a few years in a row?? Every year cost of living rising in S'pore... If no increment.. How to cope?? No need to fire.. They will also resign themselves...

Originally Posted by cslee

I know of some people do get "D". In ministries, "D" is probably as rare as "A", which does form a bell curve. But whether it is a must - I'm not sure. But one thing for sure is that the bosses really dislike them, which are quite obvious e.g. taking too many MCs, disrespect/disobey boss etc. Usually, they won't stay unless got medical conditions.

[shaz]

Originally Posted by cslee

I know of some people do get "D". In ministries, "D" is probably as rare as "A", which does form a bell curve. But whether it is a must - I'm not sure. But one thing for sure is that the bosses really dislike them, which are quite obvious e.g. taking too many MCs, disrespect/disobey boss etc. Usually, they won't stay unless got medical conditions.

Every Division/Branch/Section is given a quota when giving grades. For example,
5% - A
25% - B
65% - C
5% - D

It's not easy to get a 'D' grade as the reporting officer has to write a report and then explain to the officer on why he's getting a 'D' grade. As some forumers have already mentioned, 'D' is reserved for those who went on no-pay leave for most of the year, or has resigned from service. Another way to get a 'D' is when the Division/Branch/Section fails to meet the quota i.e. they give more 'As' and 'Bs' than they ought to. As a result, senior management will step in and would draw a simple line to those who are at the bottom of the 'C' grade. Those who fall below the line gets a 'D'... sad but true as that what happened to my reportee (close to retirement and has a loud mouth)... it wasn't a pleasant experience...