"There's a lot of dishonesty in the job market"

[miwashi]

This guy's comments really hit the spot for me. I like the bit about 'spin and exaggerate without quite lying'.

There's a lot of dishonesty in the job market. Qualified job seekers are rejected all the time.

When an employer asks for 10 years of experience in 20 different languages, systems, applications, and platforms, that could say they don't want to hire anyone. They actually want to hire a cheap foreigner, or the boss's nephew, and are just going through the motions to satisfy the letter of EEOA requirements. They've already found their man, and just copied his resume to the job posting. If the position goes unfilled, then they can complain that there aren't enough qualified applicants no matter the real reason it wasn't filled. In a bigger company, there could be internal politicking going on, with one department using the hordes of hapless job applicants to send a message to other departments. It could also say they have to ask for that much so they aren't buried under resumes. Which of course happens because contrary to what they claim, there is in fact no shortage of qualified job seekers.

To add to the fun, there are the head hunters throwing out bait, to harvest resumes.

And job seekers are pressured to spin and exaggerate to the max without quite lying (wink, wink). Quite common for a good programmer to pick up a programming language quick, then apply for a job that asks for 10 years experience in it, and if hired, pull it off because as we all know, programming ability is not language specific.

Another factor that shows there is no shortage of qualified people is that employers can demand that new hires "hit the ground running". In other words, applicants are expected to bone up on whatever specific technologies are wanted on their own time and dime, rather than spend a month training. Employers don't train people anymore. They've externalized that cost, and gotten away with it, demanding that schools and applicants do that. They complain bitterly that schools don't educate people right, which too often means they were educated instead of trained for a specific position. And they're quick to moan about the waste in spending money to train someone who is just going to leave them. Whether or not it's fair or appropriate, the job applicant is expected to come in already knowing many of the arcane specifics of whatever oddball setup they use.

Taken from
Reversing the Loss of Science and Engineering Careers - Slashdot

Originally Posted by miwashi

This guy's comments really hit the spot for me. I like the bit about 'spin and exaggerate without quite lying'.

Taken from
Reversing the Loss of Science and Engineering Careers - Slashdot

Are you a programmer too?

This sort of thing has been around ever since interview was invented and it will not go away.

You can either join them & learn to play the game or stay by the side bitching about all this stuff that everyone who attended a few interviews before alreadly know. This is call preaching to the choir.

I have heard of job ads which advertise for positions which are either not vacant or required, and it is used to collect CVs or to determine the market demand for the position.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I have heard of job ads which advertise for positions which are either not vacant or required, and it is used to collect CVs or to determine the market demand for the position.

Urban legend la, u think companies so free to fake vacancies just to collect CV...

Originally Posted by Jimmy1978

Friends in job agencies, headhunting firms have admitted all these practices to me. Sometimes they even advertise jobs/positions that don't exist so that they can get the applicants through the door where they would ambush the person into interviewing for a position in the job agency cuz no ones wants to work in job agency.

Agencies that target very low level jobs maybe possible, no way headhunters will do that. You will be black listed in a short while with such stunts.

It is common to have a programming test for programming job interviews, so that the company only hire "qualified" candidates (read: people who already have all the skills needed for the job and do not require any additional training, just adjusting to the environment.)

Final Words

ENGINEERS IN SG SUX!

I went interviews claiming i know all the **** they advertize * 10. Then just go wikipedia and read all that crap to bomb out.

Anyway end of the day they want cheap / value for money nia.

The unemployment rate in the United States currently clocks in between 8 and 9 percent. With more than 15 million unemployed individuals, more than 3 million so-called unfillable positions point to economic opportunity that has been lost. Many employers report that the reason why they are having trouble filling these jobs is because they are having trouble finding candidates with the appropriate education or experience. Article source: Unfilled job openings point to lost economic opportunity

Originally Posted by davin

The unemployment rate in the United States currently clocks in between 8 and 9 percent. With more than 15 million unemployed individuals, more than 3 million so-called unfillable positions point to economic opportunity that has been lost. Many employers report that the reason why they are having trouble filling these jobs is because they are having trouble finding candidates with the appropriate education or experience. Article source: Unfilled job openings point to lost economic opportunity

NICE ONE!!!!

"having trouble finding candidates with the appropriate education or experience" that are willing to get paid REALLY LOW