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Old 17-04-2012, 10:22 PM
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Charterhouse or Randstad, which is better?

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Imagine 200 people (mostly FTs) who are in shitty jobs and you have to manage them (more like being their nanny). Definitely a shitty job.
Izit really that bad??

I can see there is performance appraisal, training development, supervisory and working with HR, manpower planning, quite smilar to HR related. For now switching from engineering to HR i need to cut pay and this position being offered come closest to my pay and give me a headstart in HR career.

I wan to balance my pay income while still able to expose to HR related, and Cisco is considered as corporate now. I also understand cisco has HR dept stand alone which deal with recruitment. I just thinking if one day jump ship to corporate or business partnering, will it somehow help abit?

Yes shitty people are hard to manage...but it put myself to a test if my resume state managing 100- 200 shitty people (definitely will raise some eyebrowns?) what more they are shitty people...

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Izit really that bad??

I can see there is performance appraisal, training development, supervisory and working with HR, manpower planning, quite smilar to HR related. For now switching from engineering to HR i need to cut pay and this position being offered come closest to my pay and give me a headstart in HR career.

I wan to balance my pay income while still able to expose to HR related, and Cisco is considered as corporate now. I also understand cisco has HR dept stand alone which deal with recruitment. I just thinking if one day jump ship to corporate or business partnering, will it somehow help abit?

Yes shitty people are hard to manage...but it put myself to a test if my resume state managing 100- 200 shitty people (definitely will raise some eyebrowns?) what more they are shitty people...
Others already answered and you repeating the same points. My view is this

1) Certis is a privatized SME with mainly blue collar staff. HR dept is process time sheet, termination, road shows, walk in interviews, payroll, claims, welfare etc. If you OK with this sort of work then fine, just another career, nothing wrong. The headstart this job will give you is admin/generalist or floor supervisor not HR.

2) Possible to jump to BP/COE but unlikely. This sort of experience not relevant and MNCs and blue chip GLCs prefer candidates who are in more progressive companies and have knowledge in industry HR best practices.

3) Management skills is not about number of people, otherwise CEOs will all come from construction foreman & factory supervisor. Itís about the quality of people under you and the complexity & decision making of the job. Supervisor skill from 200 high turnover mish mash part time, temp, perm security guards has little value. A lot of SAF regulars learn this the hard way when they leave army.

4) At the end of the day itís your career & your choice. Personally if Iím really interested in moving to HR and there are no push factors to leave engineering, I will wait patiently until a good opportunity comes along, otherwise is jumping for the sake of jumping.

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No difference, hundreds of agencies in SG all roughly the same commission plan anyway.
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No difference, hundreds of agencies in SG all roughly the same commission plan anyway.
Charterhouse is an executive search firm while Randstad is more like a recruitment agency.
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Charterhouse is an executive search firm while Randstad is more like a recruitment agency.
Nah, both are agencies. Charterhouse leaders were poached from other agencies like Kelly & Talent2.

Exec search firms are little known since they don't advertise in mass media.
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Nah, both are agencies. Charterhouse leaders were poached from other agencies like Kelly & Talent2.

Exec search firms are little known since they don't advertise in mass media.
Hi, thanks for clarifying.

But charterhouse deal with C levels position and above while Randstad deal with support stuff till executive level in their staffing department. With that in mind, won't charterhouse be more prestige in that sense?
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Hi, thanks for clarifying.

But charterhouse deal with C levels position and above while Randstad deal with support stuff till executive level in their staffing department. With that in mind, won't charterhouse be more prestige in that sense?
Charterhouse claims it does C-Level, but they donít have any real CXO roles. Most are local or sub-region GMs/Finance IT Marketing Heads glorified as CXO. They target the mid level manager space just like Ranstad. The only difference is Ranstad extends further down to cover lower level positions that Charterhouse don't do.

The real exec search firms with offices in Asia are Egon Zender, Henderick & Struggles, Korn Ferry and boutiques like Chapman, Nimitt & Co etc. If you want to join them you have to bring at least about $1.5m pipeline, donít think they will entertain you otherwise unless is for backend position.
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Charterhouse claims it does C-Level, but they donít have any real CXO roles. Most are local or sub-region GMs/Finance IT Marketing Heads glorified as CXO. They target the mid level manager space just like Ranstad. The only difference is Ranstad extends further down to cover lower level positions that Charterhouse don't do.

The real exec search firms with offices in Asia are Egon Zender, Henderick & Struggles, Korn Ferry and boutiques like Chapman, Nimitt & Co etc. If you want to join them you have to bring at least about $1.5m pipeline, donít think they will entertain you otherwise unless is for backend position.
Thank you. This is very helpful.

So if lets say I am offered a position in Randstad doing recruitment for lower levels, I am better off taking up the offer doing recruitment for Charterhouse? At least they are targeting managerial level.
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