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Unregistered 01-04-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean (Post 23123)
You 1st class honors ?

HR still can get 3.4k starting is alot even for female in 2005!!!

it seem that your
-annual increment every year is abt ~10%
-each promotion increment abt ~20-30%
which is alot!!!!



my engineering coy: even for promotion increment for 'A' grader is max 8%, annual increment for 'A' grader is max 5-6% only!!!! How pathetic!!!

for someone "C to B" grader like me only getting
-promotion = +4%
-annual increment = ~+3.5%

I can't even hit 3.9k after 5 years with my company with 1 promotion loh, I start at 2.9k....

No honors, BBA Pass with Merit for me. I don't think the concept of paying for honors or NS for guys exist in my company.

They usually pay ~6 to 7% (except 2009 financial crisis) increment for average performer, it scales up to ~10% above average, ~15% for good performers. Policy is to manage out people who fall below average rating for 2 consecutive years, so attrition is quite high.

Unregistered 01-04-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 23132)
U took 1 yr to promote from AM to M, and then 2 yrs to promote from M to AVP..that's amazing..and u're not even doing sales.

Are u actually on management associate prog or u're actually a HR management consultant?
Or any special external circumstances? Or u get performance grade A every single year..?

Pls share your success story! thanks!

Don't have any special story, it's quite a standard path for most HR people anyway. Reading through the past threads seems there are a lot of HR people who are slightly slower or faster than me, but not by a lot.

Unregistered 01-04-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by makarabe (Post 23130)
Your progression is quite fast. I graduated in 2007 and now in my 2nd job as HR Development Specialist drawing 5950.

You are not doing too bad yourself, should be able to exceed 8000 in a few years time.

Unregistered 01-04-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by makarabe (Post 23130)
Your progression is quite fast. I graduated in 2007 and now in my 2nd job as HR Development Specialist drawing 5950.

She's not "quite fast". She's very fast. U took 5 yrs to hit 6k. She took 6 yrs to hit 9k basic!

Can HR professionals here kindly educate me on the difficulties n perils u face on a daily basis? I seriously need some enlightenment..

I mean..i can understand why some professions make big bucks.. property/insurance sales agents who sacrifice their evenings, wkends, hols to meet clients..investment bankers working 100hrs/wk closing multi million dollar deals..consumer bankers who make 10/20k a mth facing the stress of meeting sales targets daily..consistent poor performers would be asked to pack n go..traders/dealers who hv to be fast n accurate all the time, with no margin for mistakes..

but HR? Making close to 10k a mth at AVP level? not even a VP or Head of dept yet..i bet even some of the junior fund managers/research analysts at insurance firms are making lesser than HR.

Someone pls educate the ignorant me the challenges of HR functions..

makarabe 01-04-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 23151)
She's not "quite fast". She's very fast. U took 5 yrs to hit 6k. She took 6 yrs to hit 9k basic!

Can HR professionals here kindly educate me on the difficulties n perils u face on a daily basis? I seriously need some enlightenment..

I mean..i can understand why some professions make big bucks.. property/insurance sales agents who sacrifice their evenings, wkends, hols to meet clients..investment bankers working 100hrs/wk closing multi million dollar deals..consumer bankers who make 10/20k a mth facing the stress of meeting sales targets daily..consistent poor performers would be asked to pack n go..traders/dealers who hv to be fast n accurate all the time, with no margin for mistakes..

but HR? Making close to 10k a mth at AVP level? not even a VP or Head of dept yet..i bet even some of the junior fund managers/research analysts at insurance firms are making lesser than HR.

Someone pls educate the ignorant me the challenges of HR functions..

She is definitely on the fast side, but not as amazingly fast as you describe. Some of the guys from Total Rewards in my co. can definitely match if not exceed her.

It's hard to describe HR as a whole because layman mostly see us as a universal "HR", but most of us in HR dont really share this same identity. HR has a few key areas & they are all very different from each other.

Most of the HR people layman know is from the admin side, which also happens to be the lowest paid & least career progression.

Unregistered 01-04-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by makarabe (Post 23173)
She is definitely on the fast side, but not as amazingly fast as you describe. Some of the guys from Total Rewards in my co. can definitely match if not exceed her.

It's hard to describe HR as a whole because layman mostly see us as a universal "HR", but most of us in HR dont really share this same identity. HR has a few key areas & they are all very different from each other.

Most of the HR people layman know is from the admin side, which also happens to be the lowest paid & least career progression.

I think talent development and HR management consulting (especially for remuneration and restructuring) are the best areas to be in. HR ops is the worst.

Axela72 02-04-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 23117)
Cant remember the exact progression clearly. Only remember some important milestones.

2005 = 3400
2007 = 5200 (promoted to AM)
2008 = 6k+ (promoted to M)
2010 = 8400 (Promoted to AVP)
2011 = 9300

I wonder why will a company willing to pay a fresh grad HR in 2005 at $3400. Furthermore, you are not guy whom serve NS which the company might need to fork out more for fresh grad.

Also, how can a HR personnel contribute in each year to justify such kind of huge increment and fast promotion you have recieved? You must be someone that can help your company either save Millions or make millions of dollars.

Axela72 02-04-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by makarabe (Post 23173)
She is definitely on the fast side, but not as amazingly fast as you describe. Some of the guys from Total Rewards in my co. can definitely match if not exceed her.

It's hard to describe HR as a whole because layman mostly see us as a universal "HR", but most of us in HR dont really share this same identity. HR has a few key areas & they are all very different from each other.

Most of the HR people layman know is from the admin side, which also happens to be the lowest paid & least career progression.

There you go. As you mentioned "Some guys from Total Rwards...." However, she is from Insurance company. From what I understand, HR there is not something to shout about. Some Insurance company don't even have their own HR department as they can live without them. Just engage some 3rd party to do that role.

makarabe 02-04-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Axela72 (Post 23181)
There you go. As you mentioned "Some guys from Total Rwards...." However, she is from Insurance company. From what I understand, HR there is not something to shout about. Some Insurance company don't even have their own HR department as they can live without them. Just engage some 3rd party to do that role.

Like I said, you probably have a limited understanding of HR roles. The outsourcing roles you are referring to are from admin side.

For eg in my area of talent development, some companies may engage 3rd party consultants for help in formulating strategies or framework, but nobody will outsource the entire process. What you are referring to is PPO / RPO which is a small subset of HR. Most employees in my company will not know me since I do not handle their day to day operations.

I do not know about insurance industry, but my guess is since it is a finance based company, their Total Reward team is likely more developed and comprehensive.

Unregistered 02-04-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 23144)
Saw an ad for Senior HR Specialist (Safety) at UPS, Singapore, to be in charge of safety. Anyone knows more about the progression there? Any chance to switch to other HR fields?

Thanks for your advice.

I advise you not take up this job.

Safety is under EHS and the role sounds like those that nobody want so anyhow park under HR. It has nothing to do with BP/COE. Once you get stuck in the HR ops area, the pay & promotion is very slow.

Many years ago when I wanted to get into HR, I also naively took up a internal comms role that is not part of HR but parked there for convenience thinking that I cross over to the culture and change management roles I like in the future.

It was a waste of time because the work nothing to do with HR and my daily interaction is limited to HR ops/admin. The BPs & COEs never considered me as part of their team. In the end I had to get take a pay cut to get into a HR management consulting firm before jumping back now to do an organizational change role I like.


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